Posted on 12/24/2022 8:54:51 AM PST by Kazan
Putin is a bad leader. So is Zelensky. Both should be replaced.
None of that makes Russia an enemy.
Russia has beautiful women, and therefor Russia is an ally, IN THE REAL WAR.
Are there really any good leaders in the world today?
NATO is eviscerating its own energy supplies, foreign and domestic, and imperiling food and fertilizer supply chains while throwing away hundreds of billions of dollars.
A weakened Russia benefits China, which wants Russian resources and land, and is now in a stronger position to get both.
NATO is handing Russia to China on a silver platter.
Wack job
Russian invaders deserve to die.
And they are.
And for whatever creepy reason, you can’t stand that they are losing.
Ukraine was a set up since the Obama era leaders of the world installed zelensky. Obama started a pipeline war in Syria and Biden started one in Ukraine.
This is about Russian regime change… Biden let the cat out of the bag.
If they install a zelensky type puppet in Russia, the vast Russian resources will be practically stolen from the citizens.
They must have these resources for Green tyranny. Putin is an evil guy, but who do you think they I’ll point in his place, someone we like? Maybe a great dancer.
Texas, New York and California each alone have a higher GDP then Russia has. Russia’s economy is about the same as Italy’s. The US can fund this war for a long time while Russia bleeds out.
“And for whatever creepy reason, you can’t stand that they are losing.”
Only in the news outlets that FReepers hate. Funny how you guys now TRUST them, or more likely, CLAIM to trust them.
Again, the ONLY decision for the West is just how much of their society will be left when Russia eventually prevails.
The lesson your friends need to learn is that it’s NOT a good idea to spend 35 years DISARMING, and then try to take over the world, since just because the West disarms, DOES NOT mean the rest of the world will do the same.
By the way, ever find that link about me discussing China? I suspect it was from someone else.
Russia has converted many Freepers to supportive war criminals who now go on attack in this conservative sanctuary
Having mindlessly transformed themselves into pro Putin zombies,they endlessly pollute what was once An American brilliant star into a dingy Russian propaganda tool
“Russia has converted many Freepers to supportive war criminals who now go on attack in this conservative sanctuary”
Some of us are against World War 3, when there are no US interests (or than graft) and virtually no Western interests involved.
Feel free to call us ‘unpatriotic’ for that.
The CIA formented the Color Revolutions and unrest by pushing the LGBT agenda into school classrooms and filling the churches with homo’s and pedifiles. The CIA became complacent at the same time, engaging in it’s woke employees destroying conservatives using the hallway and corridor reputations in Langley and the State Department Hallways.
The bubble of DNC minded people’s only post-USSR challenge was engaging in political assination of republicans and conservatives within their own ranks. Strengthening their own ranks of essentially DNC type liberals and socialists, the type of education employed within the United States has begun to take its toll on the quality of people filling the ranks of the CIA as well as her Sister Agency, the State Department. People whose first thoughts which are sniping other employees not already woke and ruining their careers, in order to advance their own careers at the junior levels.
Within the ranks of mid-level management, looking in from the outside, it is evident to any casual oberver, the core membership is permeated with a type of back-biting career democrat that thinks legistation Can It Make So, thus a kind of mindset that believes if you make a rule or pass a law that changes the rules of nature change... a new kind of evolution. These people occupy the 5-20 year service of Administrative and IT or Technical Staff of wantabee Mr. Bonds.
Then you get the FS1s that have navigted the hat broken policy driven “evolution” Analytically Produced information
that is passed upward the Desicion Makers... these folks are about 60% DNC foot soldiers and the Political Appointees. Within the United States are the entitled and educated minds that no longer are able to rationalize through normal experiences the interactions of foreign friends and advertisers alike. Those whose experiences in life are essentially still ruled by Natural Law, and by Cause and Effect, rather than the BS used to control and weigh down the masses. No longer are American’s produced thru education which able to think like normal people unencumbered politically class driven BS. This is the level within the CIA and State (really the entire government and several thousand political appointeees....).
The reason American Intelligence fails to properlly analyze forign countries is that since the 70’s America has been ruled by that political class of 1968, e.g., the Hillary Clintons, the Ayres, John Kerry’s. This old generation is and has been in control of all facets of America and foreign policy - but the mechcanisms they created in American Education and Soceity, are unable to think like the older Class Warriors. This group of 68 is wanning, and America is caught 50 years later, without people able to step in and fill the void.
American Intelligence created corporations such as Face Book, Twitter, and licensed then essentiallly incoporated Microsoft, Google, Apple into the NSA umbrella where backdoors and secret keys of COMSEC are kept. The CIAs ability to produce “unfunded money” thru their companies is unmatched and all encompassing. Because America, since idiomsObama, is no longer a two-party form of govrernment WE are no longer hearing the dissenting voice or alternatives THE plan. All too often, the PLAN is the prideful brainchild of whoever pushes it forward. This bubble of like-minded embessals and idoits were educated in the public schools by DNC run National Teacher’s Association and partner Union’s grip since the mid-70’s, who are unable to properly access situations abroad.
The solution to bad American Intelligence Assessments and Policy is to incorporate the dissenting opinions of conservatives. It is the conservatives that are able to think logically, to think apart from the LGBT BS pushed by the public schools. Even Ivy League or top 25 private elite colleges no longer product competent doctors, sociologists, terachers (who come from those failing other majors), scientists, etc. No longer does the American College Education provide the advantages required in the ever shrinking Global World WE live.
The Department of State and increasingly, the CIA (and FBI) require a college degree. In fact they are making competitive applicants get dual major degress in addition to Master’s Degrees. The DNC run school system produces a singuarly like-minded type of “WoKeFoRcE” American employee.
The college educated mind has learned that making laws change everything from History to Evolution. They learn things like men can compete in women’s sports if they identify as female, and that female no longer exists at the other end of the axis. Going back to the Classical Education with broad application in the Natural Sciences, and the application of Cause and Effect, can and will product American’s who have a logical capacity, and an even minded approach to all societial interactions.
The Old Guard of 1968 War Protesters are a dying breed. They are losing grip at the helm, and the Obama led generation of the 80’s couldn’t before and still can’t find the bowl or stern of the Ship of State thus the rudder no longer has any meaningful bearing.
Great and very informative post.
you repeat the lie about “expanding NATO” — no promise was made
Gorbachev and the documents show ZERO promise not to enlarge
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
What the Germans, Americans, British and French did agree to in 1990 was that there would be no deployment of non-German NATO forces on the territory of the former GDR. I was a deputy director on the State Department’s Soviet desk at the time, and that was certainly the point of Secretary James Baker’s discussions with Gorbachev and his foreign minister, Eduard Shevardnadze. In 1990, few gave the possibility of a broader NATO enlargement to the east any serious thought.
The agreement on not deploying foreign troops on the territory of the former GDR was incorporated in Article 5 of the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, which was signed on September 12, 1990 by the foreign ministers of the two Germanys, the United States, Soviet Union, Britain and France. Article 5 had three provisions:
1. Until Soviet forces had completed their withdrawal from the former GDR, only German territorial defense units not integrated into NATO would be deployed in that territory.
2. There would be no increase in the numbers of troops or equipment of U.S., British and French forces stationed in Berlin.
3. Once Soviet forces had withdrawn, German forces assigned to NATO could be deployed in the former GDR, but foreign forces and nuclear weapons systems would not be deployed there.
When one reads the full text of the Woerner speech
http://nato.int/docu/speech/1990/s900517a_e.htm
cited by Putin, it is clear that the secretary general’s comments referred to NATO forces in eastern Germany, not a broader commitment not to enlarge the Alliance.
Former Soviet President Gorbachev’s View
We now have a very authoritative voice from Moscow confirming this understanding. Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev,http://rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html
who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”
Gorbachev continued that “The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years.” To be sure, the former Soviet president criticized NATO enlargement and called it a violation of the spirit of the assurances given Moscow in 1990, but he made clear there was no promise regarding broader enlargement.
Several years after German reunification, in 1997, NATO said that in the “current and foreseeable security environment” there would be no permanent stationing of substantial combat forces on the territory of new NATO members. Up until the Russian military occupation of Crimea in March, there was virtually no stationing of any NATO combat forces on the territory of new members. Since March, NATO has increased the presence of its military forces in the Baltic region and Central Europe.
Putin is not stupid, and his aides surely have access to the former Soviet records from the time and understand the history of the commitments made by Western leaders and NATO. But the West’s alleged promise not to enlarge the Alliance will undoubtedly remain a standard element of his anti-NATO spin. That is because it fits so well with the picture that the Russian leader seeks to paint of an aggrieved Russia, taken advantage of by others and increasingly isolated—not due to its own actions, but because of the machinations of a deceitful West.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany
to summarize , it means that Soviet forces would withdraw from East Germany, and that no foreign forces would be stationed there afterwards. In other words, after the withdrawal of Soviet troops, only the German military would be allowed to be stationed in the former East Germany.
NOTE — not in the former East Germany.
Absolutely NOTHING about going to Poland, the Baltics etc.
So stop repeating the lie about “promised to not go one inch further east”
Doesn’t matter at this point. NATO crossed Russia’s Red Line, admitted Minsk 2 was a SHAM to get Ukraine armed up, and so now Russia is going to finish the job.
...and perhaps I might have been more open to your re-writes of history had NATO not bombed the crap out of Serbia, but they did, so the world now FULLY understands what NATO has become.
What part of “already $38 trillion in debt, not counting future entitlement obligations” does your feeble little mind not comprehend?
“What part of “already $38 trillion in debt, not counting future entitlement obligations” does your feeble little mind not comprehend?”
What part of Russia’s economy is as big as Italy’s and is shrinking do you not comprehend?
Small but solvent beats bankrupt.
Troll.
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