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‘Greater Idaho’ Moves Closer to Bi-State Referendum As Two More Oregon Counties Vote to Leave
epoch times ^ | 25 November A.D. 2022 | Allan Stein

Posted on 11/25/2022 12:39:55 PM PST by lightman

Two more conservative-leaning counties in eastern Oregon, and one politically split county in California, have voted to begin the process that could lead to secession from their respective blue states.

On Nov. 8, Oregon’s Morrow County passed the Greater Idaho proposal with 60 percent of the vote and Wheeler County with 59 percent.

A similar measure in San Bernardino County, Calif., passed by a narrow margin, 51.3 percent to 48.7.

“These are solutions they want their elected leaders to look into,” said Matt McCaw, spokesman for the Greater Idaho Movement based in Oregon.

“We think it makes sense to move the border to where the cultural divide [exists]. Oregon is a very polarized state—two very different cultures.”

The Greater Idaho Movement seeks as many as 15 counties in Republican-majority rural eastern Oregon to join with neighboring Idaho to the east.

So far, 11 counties have signed on since the movement launched in 2019. Another county will vote on whether to investigate the secession process early in 2023.

If both states ultimately agree to separation, the next step would be to form an interstate compact between Idaho and Oregon, something McCaw believes has “plenty of popular support.”

The benefits would be mutual, he said.

For example, though Oregon would end up losing about 400,000 (9 percent) of its population and ceding 63 percent of its land mass to Idaho, a political merger would end the longstanding partisan divide in Oregon, where Democrats comprise 47 percent of the electorate.

The situation is nearly the reverse in Idaho, with nearly 84,000 square miles, 2 million residents, and a gross domestic product that exceeds $79 billion. Moreover, nearly 50 percent of the state leans conservative and Republican.

Oregon, by contrast, encompasses more than 98,000 square miles and has 4 million residents and a gross domestic product of $224 billion. Vast swathes of some 30 million acres of productive forestland lie in the eastern part of the state.

McCaw said most of Oregon’s wealth comes from industry and finance in the western coastal area, where liberal politicians in the capital city of Portland often decide the state’s policies.

“The west side of the state is urban and very left-learning. The right side of the state is very rural—very conservative. Eastern Oregonians match culture and values, and politics with Idaho.”

McCaw said that political and cultural polarization is a problem not only in Oregon but across the United States. He said there is a “huge urban [and] rural divide” that is “only getting bigger.”

He said that disapproval with the 2022 midterm elections among conservatives would only fuel partisan realignments at the state and county levels.

“We’re about matching government to people and their values. You get rid of polarization and tension by matching people to the government they want,” McCaw told The Epoch Times.

In San Bernardino County, with more than 2 million residents, real estate developer Jeff Burum proposed Measure EE as a way to leave California and create the new state of Empire.

At issue is the state’s apparent inability to supply the resources or funding to support a growing population.

The measure asked voters their “opinion on whether they want San Bernardino County elected representatives to study and advocate for all options to obtain the county’s fair share of state funding, including secession from the state of California.”

Burum told The San Bernardino Sun, “I would never wilfully want to leave this state. But I can tell you this, if you’re just going to continue to abuse me and abuse us, sometimes you don’t have a choice but to stand up for yourself.”

Jack Pitney, a professor of American politics at Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, Calif., told the Daily Press there is a “very low probability” Measure EE would succeed, given that there are constitutional hurdles to overcome.

He said the Constitution requires a vote of the state legislature to allow secession and the U.S. Congress to approve the establishment of a new state.

West Virginia was the last state to secede at the height of the Civil War in 1863. Until 1792, Kentucky was a part of Virginia, and Maine a part of Massachusetts before separating to become an independent state in 1820.

Another example is Washington, once a part of the Oregon Territory before it split from Oregon and became a territory in 1853 and the 42nd state in 1889.

In Idaho, Republican state Rep. Barbara Ehardt said she supports the Greater Idaho movement as a “win-win” for both states even though it’s far from being a done deal.

“States rights—that’s why I favor this movement. At some point, states will have to get the courage and rise and say, you know what? We’re not playing in that sandbox because it’s corrupt. We’re going to do what we need to,” she said.

“When I first heard about this [movement] it resonated. Why wouldn’t we want to explore this, given that Idaho has been the No. 1 state in the nation for percentage of growth? If this weren’t a win for Idaho, I wouldn’t be behind it,” Ehardt told The Epoch Times.

Ehardt said the more liberal-leaning parts of Oregon would benefit from fewer political struggles with conservatives and tax subsidies of the state”s less affluent eastern half. There would be “zero exchange” of congressional seats, and a more unified culture.

The gains for Idaho would come from natural resources—minerals, water, timber, and the acquisition of Coos Bay, an important commercial hub.

As one of the nation’s fastest-growing areas for conservatives, Idaho’s right-leaning base would gain from the infusion of 400,000 new residents, many of whom would likely vote Republican, Ehardt said.

“There’s opposition among Democrats in Idaho, as one would expect,” Ehardt said.

Among conservatives, however, “they’re thinking politically to preserve a way of life because of insane policies that will destroy their way of life.”

Several Democratic state lawmakers in Oregon did not respond to The Epoch Times’ request for comment on the idea of county secession.

At this stage, Ehardt views Greater Idaho as something of a “long shot,” but not impossible to achieve.

“We’d probably need a little divine intervention. I don’t mind saying that. Because I believe in that.”

McCaw said the issue is “less about red versus blue state but whether this makes sense. The answer is ‘yes’.”

Some states, such as Texas, have taken matters a step further, demanding secession from the United States to become a separate country.

In June, the Texas Republican Party endorsed a referendum on the state seceding from the United States and forming an independent republic.

“I think people are recognizing it doesn’t make sense to keep the [political] tug of war going,” McCaw said. “It’s only getting more polarized. We’re only getting more different.”

McCaw said that if Oregonians want a left-leaning government, “they should get left-leaning government.”

“Eastern Oregon is not that way. It wants a right-leaning government. Let states make those decisions. Let border decisions make sense when [borders] are drawn.”

In the meantime, McCaw feels Greater Idaho has gained enough support and momentum to bring the measure to a referendum vote in both states, possibly in 2024. He said in poll after poll, conservative residents in both states—even many Democrats—feel that divorce “makes sense” in the current political environment.

“We feel like we’ve proved at this point that eastern Oregon wants this as a solution,” McCaw said. “We believe we can make this happen.”

TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Idaho; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: greateridaho; secession
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1 posted on 11/25/2022 12:39:55 PM PST by lightman
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To: lightman
Bless their hearts!

They actually believe the Deep State would ever permit this to happen...

2 posted on 11/25/2022 12:44:27 PM PST by rhinohunter (“Being woke means you’re a loser” — Donald J. Trump)
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To: rhinohunter

Yes, it does seem very idealistic and naive of them doesn’t it.

3 posted on 11/25/2022 1:00:24 PM PST by nwrep
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Who Da Ho?

4 posted on 11/25/2022 1:01:45 PM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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Who Da Ho?

5 posted on 11/25/2022 1:01:45 PM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: rhinohunter

Never. The only way this will happen is through violence. With todays weapons, it would be very bloody.

6 posted on 11/25/2022 1:10:20 PM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: lightman

Isn’t that a violation of the “ rules based order”.
Political borders must not ever be changed, because.

Will Biden send HIMARS to Washington to punish the separatists?

7 posted on 11/25/2022 1:23:19 PM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: lightman

If only Greater Idaho could enforce its borders to ensure no liberals do what they always do: infect and destroy.

8 posted on 11/25/2022 1:24:43 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: lightman
If this actually happens, and Douglass County Oregon goes with
'Greater Idaho', I am gonna move back there - to retire.
Most beautiful and pleasant place I've ever lived!

9 posted on 11/25/2022 1:47:10 PM PST by GaltAdonis
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To: DownInFlames

Well for sure there is no way the Progs would allow the Oregon legislature to agree even if they were on board. Assuredly if this were th o seem on the verge of happening then Eastern Washington would likely seek to join as well. And Idaho as we know it would cease to exist. Though the two NY transplants I know, both of whom live in C d’A, Idaho and work at an oncology clinic in Spokane, are totally on board with this.

10 posted on 11/25/2022 1:56:04 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: lightman

Pigs will fly and unicorns will dance in the streets the day this happens. Oh, and FJB will quit lying.

11 posted on 11/25/2022 3:02:21 PM PST by Equine1952
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To: xkaydet65
Actually, there might just be some win-wins here.

The progs could be rid of those pesky rural "subhumans", and be required to provide fewer services to the non-wokes.

Idaho would pick up some land east of the Snake, most of it pretty arid, but all of it attractive in a rugged sort of way.

12 posted on 11/25/2022 3:22:53 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, nothing, great or small...Winston Churchill)
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To: lightman

This is similar to the autonomy sought in Ukraine by the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, though there, the differences were cultural and language based. Those regions voted for their autonomy and have been subjected to constant artillery shelling by the Ukraine military ever since.

I could see Western Oregon and Western Washington also firing artillery barrages against breakaway areas of those states to eliminate angry conservatives for daring to want to leave the tyranny of those communist-held states.

I can see the tyrants of Western WA and OR saying to conservatives in the East, “You will continue to bow before us and serve us or we will destroy you and bury you in the finest traditions of totalitarian governments everywhere. You will continue to have no voice in our Leftist control over you and you will be happy we ignore your dissent.”

13 posted on 11/25/2022 3:53:47 PM PST by Gnome1949
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To: GaltAdonis

Lived in Bend for a while. Jobs are few and the pay was pathetic. And living expenses are not cheap either. Great place to visit but that’s about it for now.

14 posted on 11/25/2022 3:54:58 PM PST by oldguy1776
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To: oldguy1776
I lived 20 miles east of Roseburg just off of the Diamond Lake parkway (Route 138),
and then in Springfield - which is across the Willamette River from Eugene 'Hippy-Town'.

Folks go to college and party at the University of Oregon in Eugene,
whereas folks in Springfield generally WORK for a living.

15 posted on 11/25/2022 4:47:21 PM PST by GaltAdonis
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To: GaltAdonis

I saw some disturbing things in a Roseburg park, about 25 years ago. If you stay away from the I-5 corridor, you might be OK.

16 posted on 11/25/2022 4:56:35 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: lightman

a small civil war between the east and west counties with artillery aimed at the lib politicians areas would speed up the process.

17 posted on 11/25/2022 4:59:25 PM PST by davidb56
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To: Gnome1949
Welcome to FR.

The Willamette Valley is the problem. Much of “western Oregon” is fed up with the status quo.

18 posted on 11/25/2022 5:01:16 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: gundog
"...I saw some disturbing things in a Roseburg park, about 25 years ago...."


Should I ask WHAT?
Or is it better NOT to?

19 posted on 11/25/2022 5:04:40 PM PST by GaltAdonis
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To: GaltAdonis
Forewarned is fore-armed.

The men’s room at Riverfront Park was covered in graffiti, anti-Bush at the time, and appeared to be an unabashed hook-up place for homos. Graffiti along the trails was about the same. I doubt it’s safe after dark. No idea what the homeless situation is these days. I hope they haven’t followed Coos County’s example.

20 posted on 11/25/2022 5:25:30 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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