Russia sent 150,000 soldiers; 80,000 combat soldiers, the others in support units. Ukraine had 600,000 men well trained and well led entrenched in positions that formed lines in succession of defense, all interlocking fields of fire.
Russian combat troops hit that meat grinder; pulled back and the artillery was utilized to slowly-slowly destroy the Ukrainian defensive positions.
The Russian Special Operation in Ukraine is ending. Russia has amassed 450,000 combat troops which include the missing missile forces, heavy artillery and air force.
There are no more Ukrainian defensive positions to breach. There are no more the 600,000 Uke soldiers because they have either been smashed in slow grinding artillery or wasted by the type of mindset to counter attack that Hitler had. The Uke’s are a spent force.
The Russia Army is ready to utilize actual combat formations under one command and they are going to take Odessa; all that crap about taking back Crimea is just bluster.
All the while the Ukes know that their families are freezing to death in cities that no longer have the capacity to provide everyone with electricity, heat, water, etc.
It is going to be long cold winter and by the time the ground thaws the Russians will have dictated a peace with NATO in the absence of sane Ukrainian leadership.
That’s the fact Jack! 👍
Russia has amassed 450,000 combat troops
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No. The RGF had only 250,000-260,000 professional troops in February 2022, while the Naval Infantry added another 20,000. All the rest are conscripts or National Guard, and not combat troops.
Would help if these propaganda clowns relied on more recent figures instead of old Soviet ones.
“Ukes know that their families are freezing to death in cities that no longer have the capacity to provide everyone with electricity, heat, water, etc.”
Interesting theories. So when do you expect this all to happen? The Russians have been trying to attack the Ukrainian grid for 6 weeks now, but the lights are still on. How many more months do you think it will take Russia to accomplish this goal?
Or is there the chance the Russian military has failed in yet one more campaign and a few hundred missiles are not enough to take down a grid with in a country of 40 million?
Where did they get these 450,000 troops? In order to do that they would have to start putting Air Force troops and sailors on the line.
That math just doesn’t add up, unless they absolutely strip their borders and have very few other units available anywhere else in that huge country.
Much of what you say simply isn’t true.
Examples:
1) “Ukraine had 600,000 men well trained and well led entrenched in positions that formed lines in succession of defense, all interlocking fields of fire.”
No. Ukraine had its army spread out throughout Ukraine. And there were no “entrenched” or “lines of succession” north of Kiev worth speaking of and the Russians lost anyway. You’re making it sound as if all of Ukraine is the Donbas front. It isn’t.
2) “Russia has amassed 450,000 combat troops which include the missing missile forces, heavy artillery and air force.”
Russia clearly has far fewer “combat troops” than you’re claiming. Oh, they can take a guy to a range for 40 minutes and call him a soldier - but is he really a combat troop at that point?
3) “There are no more Ukrainian defensive positions to breach.”
Then you’ll have to explain all those trenches in the Donbas the Ukrainians are in right now.
4) “The Uke’s are a spent force.”
So far there’s no evidence of that. Plenty of dead and wounded? Yes. Spent force? No.
5) “The Russia Army is ready to utilize actual combat formations under one command and they are going to take Odessa;”
Maybe they will, but so far little has worked as planned and I don’t assume that will change just because you want it to. Also, the Russians took Kherson and held it for months - and then had to flee. The same could happen in Odessa if the city is taken. The Ukrainians fought the Soviets for 10 years after WWII ended. This time the Ukrainians actually have allies and access to superior weaponry. That might not last, but the Ukrainians will most likely not give up for years. The Russians clearly did not plan on that fact.
6) “all that crap about taking back Crimea is just bluster.”
Possibly, but then again all that bluster about retaking Kherson turned out to not be bluster after all. If Putin is toppled because things don’t go well, then Crimea might be very vulnerable.
7) “All the while the Ukes know that their families are freezing to death in cities that no longer have the capacity to provide everyone with electricity, heat, water, etc.”
That won’t sway them much. These are Eastern Slavs - a very pessimistic, fatalistic people. When they get bitter they do not stop fighting. It just makes them fight harder.
“It is going to be long cold winter and by the time the ground thaws the Russians will have dictated a peace with NATO in the absence of sane Ukrainian leadership.”
Maybe, maybe not. And then there will be ten more years of guerilla warfare anyway. That’s how things go there.
jumper on 19th November 2022
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4110440/posts?page=9#9
“The Russia Army is ready to utilize actual combat formations under one command and they are going to take Odessa;....It is going to be long cold winter and by the time the ground thaws the Russians will have dictated a peace with NATO in the absence of sane Ukrainian leadership.”
Jumper is consistently wrong — it’s nearly a year and the Russkies retreated from Kherson, forget about being able to take Odessa