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To: Jumper

Much of what you say simply isn’t true.

Examples:

1) “Ukraine had 600,000 men well trained and well led entrenched in positions that formed lines in succession of defense, all interlocking fields of fire.”

No. Ukraine had its army spread out throughout Ukraine. And there were no “entrenched” or “lines of succession” north of Kiev worth speaking of and the Russians lost anyway. You’re making it sound as if all of Ukraine is the Donbas front. It isn’t.

2) “Russia has amassed 450,000 combat troops which include the missing missile forces, heavy artillery and air force.”

Russia clearly has far fewer “combat troops” than you’re claiming. Oh, they can take a guy to a range for 40 minutes and call him a soldier - but is he really a combat troop at that point?

3) “There are no more Ukrainian defensive positions to breach.”

Then you’ll have to explain all those trenches in the Donbas the Ukrainians are in right now.

4) “The Uke’s are a spent force.”

So far there’s no evidence of that. Plenty of dead and wounded? Yes. Spent force? No.

5) “The Russia Army is ready to utilize actual combat formations under one command and they are going to take Odessa;”

Maybe they will, but so far little has worked as planned and I don’t assume that will change just because you want it to. Also, the Russians took Kherson and held it for months - and then had to flee. The same could happen in Odessa if the city is taken. The Ukrainians fought the Soviets for 10 years after WWII ended. This time the Ukrainians actually have allies and access to superior weaponry. That might not last, but the Ukrainians will most likely not give up for years. The Russians clearly did not plan on that fact.

6) “all that crap about taking back Crimea is just bluster.”

Possibly, but then again all that bluster about retaking Kherson turned out to not be bluster after all. If Putin is toppled because things don’t go well, then Crimea might be very vulnerable.

7) “All the while the Ukes know that their families are freezing to death in cities that no longer have the capacity to provide everyone with electricity, heat, water, etc.”

That won’t sway them much. These are Eastern Slavs - a very pessimistic, fatalistic people. When they get bitter they do not stop fighting. It just makes them fight harder.

“It is going to be long cold winter and by the time the ground thaws the Russians will have dictated a peace with NATO in the absence of sane Ukrainian leadership.”

Maybe, maybe not. And then there will be ten more years of guerilla warfare anyway. That’s how things go there.


53 posted on 11/19/2022 5:17:20 PM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

1. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17758188/how-big-is-the-russian-army/

How big is the Russian army?
The Russian military is one of the most powerful in the world.

Compared to Ukraine’s military, Russia’s is overwhelmingly large, boasting 850,000 active personnel and 250,000 in reserve.

Russia’s firepower is second only to the United States.

They do also use conscription, requiring everyone between 18 and 33 to enlist for 12 months.

Their military statistics are as follows, according to Global Firepower:

850,000 active personnel
12,420 tanks
30,122 armoured vehicles
4,173 total aircraft
772 fighter aircraft
544 attack helicopters
605 naval fleet
11 frigates
15 destroyers

2. How big is the Ukrainian army?
According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Ukraine has 196,600 active military personnel.

This breaks down into 125,600 ground troops, 35,000 airmen and 15,000 naval troops.

It can also count on 900,000 reservists although, as recent images of civilians holding wooden rifles suggest, not all of these forces are necessarily well equipped.

3. I am simply an unbiased casual observer. I don’t see this as a war between Ukraine and Russia. I see Obama’s and now Biden’s filthy paws or corruption all over this. NATO is involved along with Britan/US as major sources of intelligence and military supplies. Ukraine would not be at war with Russia unless 2014-2020 Uke NAZI para’s gutting the Russian population in Uke areas. America backed several coups and we put our people in charge. It is now essentially an American war using Uke soldiers. This current Ukraine Govt is corrupt and wholly owned by the DNC.


57 posted on 11/19/2022 8:21:28 PM PST by Jumper ( )
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