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Third of German PzH 2000 howitzers in Ukraine already need repairs, to be sent to Slovakia
The New Voice of Ukraine ^ | 10/7/22 | NV

Posted on 10/08/2022 7:09:41 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: Farmerbob
Your sort are the ones always ranting about goblohomos

Not me FarmerBob, but if you will, help with me with this one.


81 posted on 10/08/2022 9:39:16 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: buwaya

They aren’t losing to “that guy”. The operations are being run by NATO advisors. Zelenskyy is about as competent a military leader as a bunch of keyboard warriors.


82 posted on 10/08/2022 9:39:48 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Lurker
Simpletons who’ve never strapped on the uniform don’t have a clue what’s required to keep equipment which sees months of rough use in the field in good working order.

Logistics are the biggest untold story of this war.

When the war first began, I was in the camp of those who thought Ukraine would get steamrolled. After the first week or so, I started looking at the logistical issues, and what jumped out at me was the contradiction between the size of Russia's army, and the claimed number of tanks, APC's, artillery tubes, etc.. Including the massive claimed tank reserves, etc..

What jumped out at me was the realization that there was no way in hell an army that size could possibly maintain properly all those weapons system. Flat-out impossible. Then I started doing more digging, and started finding stuff long predating the war about rumors of horrible maintenance, theft, cannibalization, etc..

But it all comes down to too much claimed equipment being maintained by far too few people. Just doesn't add up.

83 posted on 10/08/2022 9:40:59 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bulwyf

I don’t think that you or Lurker were setting policy. I give you, Lurker, and any other veteran the benefit of the doubt that they served honorably and did what they had to do. I don’t blame the veterans for the politicians’ legacy. That is what the anti-war protesters did to servicemen returning from Vietnam.


84 posted on 10/08/2022 9:50:13 AM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Say, aren’t you the guy who said that you won’t vote for a Republican who advocates eliminating military aid to Ukraine?


85 posted on 10/08/2022 9:55:49 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

It is along the same line as post #44 in that thread. Several other posters got the joke without needing an explanation. Read through the previous posts on that page and if you have a specific question I will try to help you out.


86 posted on 10/08/2022 10:10:35 AM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: Vermont Lt

Maybe so…I’m not convinced that is the only possible explanation though.


87 posted on 10/08/2022 10:14:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: JonPreston

My point is we are emptying old inventory.

And the fun fact is to imagine what we would to the the Ruskie Army with a few F35s, F22’s, and A10’s.

Congress should be pissed we wasted money on leading edge tech, when we could have beaten the Russians with friggin P51s.


88 posted on 10/08/2022 10:22:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: quikstrike98
reminded of a scene in “All Quiet on the Western Front” where Katz tells his boys to watch out for short rounds from friendly fire, because all the German guns had their barrels shot out years before, and their accuracy was garbage.

It's worth remembering that prior to this Ukrainian counter-offensive, the pro-Russian crowd was crowing about the irresistable quantities of Russian artillery rounds raining down upon the poor Ukrainians, and that the Russia infantry just had to walk on it and mop up.

Well...that many rounds chews through tubes, which may explain why we're no longer hearing about the same magnitude of shelling. Tubes are worn out, and they don't have the logistical support to replace them any time soon.

89 posted on 10/08/2022 10:31:07 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Vermont Lt

Nice thing is that the entire rest of the world’s militaries are thinking the exact same thing.


90 posted on 10/08/2022 10:32:01 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Farmerbob

Vietnam vets hold a special place for me. They went and did a job and were hated for it, yet they suffered tremendously and lost a lot. They all had a big dump taken on them. I ever meet any, I always say, brother, you had it tough, but you’re my brother and I appreciate what you did.


91 posted on 10/08/2022 10:37:28 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: JonPreston
The NY Post Headline:

Howitzer Instructions in German
Greek to Ukrainians

92 posted on 10/08/2022 10:38:01 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis )
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To: JonPreston

I was wondering if they have been using them so much that they are meeting their need to go to depot level to get worn parts replaced.
Or since their German, like a BMW, there is planned obsolescence based on material failure. If the part is getting close to it’s life cycle they replace the part. So if the tube can reasonably fire 10k rounds before failure could happen they pull the gun off the line at 9k just in case to replace the tube and worn breach.


93 posted on 10/08/2022 12:24:49 PM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: JonPreston

Hi.

In the fwiw EVERYTHING in the battle space needs maintenance.

From howitzers to tanks. From computers to soldiers.

Including your LBE and boots.

5.56mm


94 posted on 10/08/2022 12:30:29 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho got to go.)
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To: JonPreston

Maybe his news service could purchase a subscription to Jane’s and get some better background before writing future articles


95 posted on 10/08/2022 12:31:21 PM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: JonPreston

You missed the “may have” part, Skippy.

L


96 posted on 10/08/2022 1:01:03 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lurker
Skippy? What a 🤡.

Mama slinging that hash yet?

97 posted on 10/08/2022 2:27:45 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

You’re the one who can’t spell or punctuate properly.

English not your first language? Russian maybe?

L


98 posted on 10/08/2022 2:44:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lurker
A pretentious 🤡

L

99 posted on 10/08/2022 2:47:45 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/atp3_09x50.pdf


100 posted on 10/08/2022 7:15:46 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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