Posted on 10/04/2022 8:11:37 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Reservists mobilized in Russia have already appeared in the southern direction, they did not undergo the necessary training and have already begun to surrender.
As reported by Censor.NET with reference to LIGA.net, this was stated by the spokeswoman of the operational command "South" Natalia Humeniuk.
"We know the number, but it's only for us. They showed up, they're not prepared, but it's quite possible that they can prepare directly at the positions," she said.
Humeniuk added that the Ukrainian military can monitor this process thanks to the resistance movement, which provides relevant information.
"We follow them carefully and conduct the same information campaign among them, so that they can lay down their weapons and go to the "exchange fund" without "staining" their hands with blood," added the spokeswoman of the OC "South".
According to her, there are already cases of surrender, but they are not very massive yet, but the campaign started relatively recently.
"There are appeals from both units and individuals," Humeniuk said.
https://sonar21.com/premonitions-by-helmholtz-smith/
Weariness is visible – three recent American polls show a desire for diplomacy, “less concern” and that Ukraine doesn’t make the list. I’m reminded of a comment by Gonzalo Lira that Russia should just make the war boring to Americans.
The economic effects of the boomeranging sanctions are inexorably tightening in Europe. We’re now hearing about possible bank collapses and reading cheerful pieces on how to keep mold out of cold damp houses. With Nordstream out of contention. no improvement is visible. Time is on Russia’s side. At some point the European population will have had enough. Protests are growing. The overwhelming rejection in the German parliament of increased support for Ukraine points this way.
America is better off but is also feeling the boomerang. Inflation is rising and what will happen to gasoline prices (a huge concern) when they stop draining the Strategic Oil Reserve? And if China dumps a lot of US currency the situation will get worse.
WESTERN ARMS RUNNING OUT
The West is running out of arms to send Ukraine. A CNBC report speaks of America being out of 155mm guns and ammunition (manufacturers are being sought); it has already sent ten years’ production of Javelins! The latest HIMARS “sent” haven’t been built yet.
Similar stories from Europe. The available stock of ex-Soviet equipment is gone – 28 (“modernized” 20 years ago) T55 tanks scrounged from Slovenia are the latest “wonder weapon”.
The West does not have the industrial capacity to sustain modern war. Everything that has been sent to Ukraine so far has been from existing stocks. Western militaries must either start cannibalizing their standing armies or stop. Then what? Western weapons made the September offensive possible.
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PREMONITIONS OF WHAT?
In short, the Western plan is not working. The sanctions cost the West more, it’s running out of weapons to send and there are signs of softening. If Moscow’s plan was to move slowly and wait them out, then it’s working.
One should not rule out the possibility of a negotiated settlement and it may be that NATO realizes in time that it has painted itself into a corner from which that is the only exit. But it’s hard to see, given all the hyperbole, how the West’s present rulers could admit to such an enormous failure. Electoral replacement, while happening, is too slow. And why would Moscow ever trust anything the West says? A unilateral surrender by Kiev is possible but the only way I could see it is if Zelensky were overthrown. Therefore I rate a negotiated ending as not impossible at the moment but of very low probability. But time is on Russia’s side and October’s improbability may be March’s desperate desire.
More likely to me is, to use a World War II analogy, that now that Kiev’s Operation Citadel in the Kursk Salient is petering out, it’s time for a really powerful mechanized offensive accompanied by strikes deep in the rear with no holding back. One must remember that Putin said they hadn’t really started – I think we’re about to see what he meant. And sooner, I would guess, rather than later. I can’t imagine that anyone in Moscow wants this thing still going on next February.
Why post all that on a thread about something else?
Why don’t you post that as its own thread so that it can be discussed and argued?
Ah Sonar!
The sire that said Ukraines offensive was a failure and The US
realized months ago that the war was lost?
Yes THAT Sonar!
“There is zero chance of Russia giving up the area it now controls. posted on 5/3/2022, 10:30:00 PM by Kazan”
“Weariness is visible”
Russians are near revolt & army is surrendering.
Humeniuk added that the Ukrainian military can monitor this process thanks to the resistance movement, which provides relevant information.
“We follow them carefully and conduct the same information campaign among them, so that they can lay down their weapons and go to the “exchange fund” without “staining” their hands with blood,” added the spokeswoman of the OC “South”.
I don’t believe this anymore than I believe the Russian PR. That being said, IF this is true now is the time to end this with a negotiated settlement. The Ukraine agrees publicly in writing to never join NATO and Russia agrees to pull out it’s military forces.
Those fools in the Biden administration who think they can do regime change and dictate the leader of Russia are fools who will get us all killed.
“ Why post all that on a thread about something else?
Why don’t you post that as its own thread so that it can be discussed and argued?”
It’s something Kazan has posted in more than one thread. I’ve replied to one of them but don’t feel the need to repeat myself here.
“ I don’t believe this anymore than I believe the Russian PR. That being said, IF this is true now is the time to end this with a negotiated settlement. ”
I agree, but I think that won’t happen until winter weather and lots of Russian shelling.
It’s a war. I don’t believe anything by anyone.
...spokeswoman of the operational command "South" Natalia Humeniuk. "We know the number, but it's only for us. They showed up, they're not prepared, but it's quite possible that they can prepare directly at the positions,"
Oh yeah, that'll work.
Whatever is left of the Russian army can't survive the continued war of attrition. The longer it goes on, the worse it will get for the invader, both in Russian-occupied Ukraine and the home front.
If Putin's puppet in Belarus, Lukashenko, doesn't commit troops to the war, he'll be replaced. And if you think Pooty's mobilization fiasco has been bad, that'll be worse.
If Kadyrov -- Putin's puppet in Chechnya -- gets capped, no matter who does it, the chaos that ensues in both Chechnya and the Russian polity and armed forces will be breathtaking.
negotiated settlement. = surrender
The corrupt government of Ukraine may surrender, but the people will not; they want all of Ukraine back even Crimea. They will take the nuke, if that is what it takes not to live under Russian rule.
“negotiated settlement. = surrender”
Yes. Even for U.S.
My WWII Dad always said the U.S. soldier can win the world but the American politician won’t let them. We lose in the peace settlement.
Pardon misquote:
“U.S. soldier can win the WAR but the American politician won’t let them.
We lose in the peace agreement/settlement as well.
Because I'm sick of all the Biden regime spam here about the war. It's all lies and the vast majority aren't interested in it. It's all example of trolling.
But, if it going to be here, I will post the truth on these threads. Biden regime and the globalist proxy war in Ukraine are in direct opposition to an American First foreign policy and the recommendations of President Trump.
Reliving the day the Russians gave one rifle to three guys and told them to run that way. If the guy with the rifle falls, the next guy pick it up and run.
Your concept of “truth” always seems to align around Russian success, even when faced with the fact that Russia, so far, has not achieved it’s goals.
Ukrainians valiantly fighting an invasion from a larger, hostile foe has nothing to do “America First”, other than it is a good thing to not sit back and let Russia enrich itself by invasion of a neighbor. America First does not mean America Only. Trump warned NATO about Russia.
Nor does the Ukrainian people defending themselves have anything to do with Biden or Soros.
So what’s your story; why are you such an avid advocate of Putin?
Russia has already lost the war
Is that Biden spam?
The Russians are still on the battlefield in diminishing number at fewer locations.
Meanwhile at home the Russian economy is in shambles and can’t recover for at least a decade.
What do you like to post? Covid dogma?
present time
The main thing for the fourth of October (223rd day of the war)
▫️ The APU is crowding the Russian army. In a week, Ukraine has established control over four thousand square kilometers in the Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk and Kherson regions.
Only today Lyubimovka, Khreshchenovka, Zolotaya Balka, Belyaevka, Ukrainka, Malaya and Bolshaya Alexandrovka and Davydov Ford have been liberated in the Kherson region. The Russian army retreated 30 kilometers to the south along the bank of the Dnieper.
There is not much information about Dudchans yet. Judging by the Russian maps, the front line begins right behind him. Judging by the observations, the Russians could have been thrown even further south.
Russian Defense Minister Shoigu says that 200 thousand Russians have been mobilized. The Minister of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan says that 200 thousand Russians have entered. The magic of numbers.
A little later, Forbes sources in the highest Russian authorities said that from 700 thousand to a million Russians had left the country since the beginning of the mobilization. This is quite a lot, and if people from the presidential administration share this number, they do it for a reason, but perhaps hinting at future changes in the degree of permeability of the border to the outside.
The defender of Azovstal, Mikhail Dianov, who returned to Ukraine, told about the tortures in Russian captivity: they were beaten with butts and batons, starved, used electricity, did not provide medical care.
Vladimir Zelensky signed a decree recognizing everything adopted in Russia regarding the territories of Ukraine in recent days as null and void. This is a technical document that eliminates possible legal conflicts, but the name sounds nice.
For example, today’s vote in the Federation Council on annexation is also recognized by the Ukrainian authorities as null and void.
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