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1 posted on 09/13/2022 8:42:48 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

The German General Staff burned the maps showing the way to Kiev and Kursk in 1945.


2 posted on 09/13/2022 8:44:57 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law - just a fight for survival)
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I’m sure the Germans need military equipment for themselves


3 posted on 09/13/2022 8:46:03 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: McGruff

Don’t worry Steiner is on the way with his troops.


4 posted on 09/13/2022 8:46:03 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: McGruff

Imagine a world in which your foreign policy is solely hinged and built around: ‘Give me stuff now!’...


5 posted on 09/13/2022 8:47:14 AM PDT by cranked
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To: McGruff

The Russkies did a financial Stalingrad on the krauts once again.


6 posted on 09/13/2022 8:48:27 AM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: McGruff

I have never seen a people constantly beg and feel entitled.


7 posted on 09/13/2022 8:50:09 AM PDT by Kakaze (I'd like the Republic back)
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To: McGruff

Its the welfare queen mentality

Give us dat monee! If you don’t, You racis!


8 posted on 09/13/2022 8:50:18 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: McGruff

Check back in a year, when the Russians have consolidated heir gains and Ukraine is still begging for money. Lots of money.


10 posted on 09/13/2022 8:55:56 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown
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To: McGruff

They have tons of tanks the Russians gave them, they just need to get them refurbished quickly and into action.


11 posted on 09/13/2022 8:56:12 AM PDT by dila813
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To: McGruff

The Germans could sell them to the Poles.

The Poles could then resell them to Ukraine, and send Joe the bill.

Alternately, the Poles could sell off their older Leopards and buy new ones.

“In 2003 Poland obtained 128 of these Leopard tanks from Germany for the bargain basement price of $21.6 million along with 23 MiG-29 fighters for only $30 million. The tanks were selected by Polish tank experts from among the three hundred Leopard 2s recently placed in storage after being taken out of service by the downsized German Army. The original 128 Leopards still had at least 75 percent of their operational life remaining. That deal included 8 Buffel armored recovery vehicles, four Biber bridgelayers, four Keiler mine-clearing tanks, and ten M577 command post vehicles. The Polish military is aiming to overhaul these 128 Leopard 2A4 tanks it already operates.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_of_the_Polish_Armoured_Forces


13 posted on 09/13/2022 9:04:30 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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"Not a single rational argument on why these weapons cannot be supplied, only abstract fears and excuses," Kuleba said

Hey Kuleba! You and Zelenskyy are being thrown under the bus by NATO in exchange for Russian oil. Suck it!

15 posted on 09/13/2022 9:08:19 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: McGruff

One Ukrainian problem is they are running low on 125mm tank ammo, especially HE, heavily used for infantry support. Both sides rarely use tanks to fight other tanks.

And that too is in limited supply from western sources. So, like the 155mm - 152mm problem, the solution is to replace the systems. They need tanks that can use western 120mm.

There seems to be buzz about redirecting some of the 500 older Abrams the US is giving Poland to Ukraine. Also, this might revive the idea of sending them the 200 Spanish Leopard 2A4’s.


25 posted on 09/13/2022 9:23:19 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: McGruff

Germany is and always will be a dirty backstabbing country with a despotic heart-just like RuSSia.

No wonder they get along so well.


59 posted on 09/13/2022 3:09:56 PM PDT by Vaden (Real conservatives will not allow our wagon to be hitched to fascist Russia)
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