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Credit card firms to code gun, ammunition purchases, making them easier to track [Always use cash to buy guns and ammunition]
Just the News ^ | September 10, 2022 | Steve Bittenbender

Posted on 09/10/2022 8:08:38 AM PDT by grundle

Decision comes a week after New York and California asked American Express, Mastercard and Visa to support a merchant category code.

The international organization responsible for creating merchant category codes for credit card purchases has given its approval to establish one for transactions made at gun stores.

The International Organization for Standardization’s Registration and Maintenance Management Group met on Wednesday to discuss a request made by Amalgamated Bank to set up such a code.

An ISO spokesperson told The Center Square that RMMG members could not decide whether to approve the application. That elevated the discussion to the ISO leadership that oversees standards for retail financial services.

“Considering the application met all the criteria from ISO 18245 and no material arguments pertaining to the approval criteria outlined in the ISO 18245 standard to reject the code were made, SC9 leadership has approved this MCC application in order to comply with the standard,” the ISO said in a statement provided by Maria Lazarte, the organization’s team leader for media and engagement.

That decision came less than a week after New York Attorney General Letitia James and California Attorney General Rob Bonta sent a letter to chief executives at American Express, Mastercard and Visa, urging them to support a merchant category code. They called for the code, noting that other industry-specific retailers have their own codes. The attorneys general also said it could help identify suspicious activity that could prevent a mass shooting or stop gun trafficking.

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, on Wednesday morning, also tweeted in support of an MCC.

“Together we can help stop gun trafficking & keep New Yorkers safe,” she posted.

Opponents of the measure included the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

In a statement to The Center Square, Mark Oliva, the organization’s managing director for public affairs, slammed the move, saying the creation of the code was “flawed on its premise. Those who believe it will help law enforcement do not provide details on what should be considered suspicious purchases."

“This decision chills the free exercise of Constitutionally-protected rights and does nothing to assist law enforcement with crime prevention or holding criminals accountable,” he said. “The Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics consistently shows in their own reporting that 90% of felons convicted of their crimes involving a firearm admit they illegally obtain those guns through theft or trading on the black market. Attaching codes specific to firearm and ammunition purchases casts a dark pall by gun control advocates who are only interested in disarming lawful gun owners.”

Oliva added supporters of the MCC actually hope to stop purchases of guns and ammunition through credit cards.

“Credit card companies have previously publicly resisted this because they understand it is not in their interest to monitor lawful private purchases,” he added.

It’s uncertain at this time when the MCC would take effect.

American Express, through a statement provided by Vice President of Corporate Affairs and Communications Andrew Johnson, said that it will follow the standard business practices, as it does anytime the ISO develops a new MCC.

“It is important to note that MCC codes are one of many data points that help us understand the industries in which our merchants operate,” the statement read. “We are focused on ensuring that we have the right controls in place to meet our regulatory and fiduciary responsibilities, as well as prevent illegal activity​ on our network.”

Messages to James, Hochul, Mastercard, Visa and Amalgamated Bank were not immediately returned.


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To: grundle

So much for bulk purchases from CheaperThanDirt 😔


21 posted on 09/10/2022 8:37:46 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: grundle

There was something about Visa telling them to pound sand. The ISO only puts out standards. If the government doesn’t require the standard to be followed then you don’t have to.


22 posted on 09/10/2022 8:38:25 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: grundle

Anybody who thinks this is just about tracking is a fool. This is so they can refuse the transaction.

Criminals don’t use credit cards to buy guns. This proves what I have said a million times:

They plan to take guns from honest, non-violent citizens while leaving them in the hands of violent criminals.


23 posted on 09/10/2022 8:43:53 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Biden has gone full nazi. No surprise. He told us on Sept 1, during his 20 minute hate speech.)
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To: grundle
When I was living in kalifornia, a shooter murdered two sleeping campers with a Marlin Camp Carbine. The police went to all the pertinent FFLs and "asked" for their 4473s. All the FFLs complied.

The police then went to all the purchasers of the Marlin CC and "asked" for the guns so that ballistics could be checked. All owners complied.

This was in the Sacramento Bee, a liberal rag. I was surprised they reported this.

The killer was never found but, we learned one thing, viz. if you've ever filled out a 4473, you're potentially on their radar. All they need to do is confiscate the paperwork, because it never goes away.

24 posted on 09/10/2022 8:45:33 AM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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To: grundle

I’ve never used anything but cash for 2A related purchases ever. I’ve made purchases over the years and would bet heavily there aren’t any three guys on the planet who, together, could lift it all in one go.

If you need anything better buy it now. The advice to “sell your cloak and buy a sword” is still valid .


25 posted on 09/10/2022 8:51:03 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: grundle

it is going to be a factor in the coming social credit score

or should i say woke credit score

gun ownership definitely hurts your score


26 posted on 09/10/2022 8:56:00 AM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: pepsionice

“Seems like you’d go and buy crypto currency with your credit card, then turn around to buy ammo/guns with the crypto.”

Most stores don’t accept crypto.


27 posted on 09/10/2022 8:57:19 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: grundle

Billions of transactions. Nothing but noise.


28 posted on 09/10/2022 8:58:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: 2111USMC

“Backdoor gun registration. They’ll know who owns guns and what calibers.”

That info is not transmitted to the CC company.


29 posted on 09/10/2022 9:00:47 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

You missed nothing because it isn’t true


30 posted on 09/10/2022 9:00:48 AM PDT by roving ( Pronouns- libs/suk)
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To: Bob434

“There will likely be codes for each item.”

Only the transaction amount is transmitted.


31 posted on 09/10/2022 9:01:58 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: baclava

“No problem for me, I dont live in NY or Cali, and never will”

The codes are used worldwide. CA/NY are requesting a new code to be added to that database.


32 posted on 09/10/2022 9:04:11 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: muir_redwoods

In s.c. they take your phone # if you buy ammo.


33 posted on 09/10/2022 9:05:38 AM PDT by Ikeon (My fellow americans would put you in shackles if it meant they could not be bothered for one day. )
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To: muir_redwoods

In s.c. they take your phone # if you buy ammo.


34 posted on 09/10/2022 9:05:39 AM PDT by Ikeon (My fellow americans would put you in shackles if it meant they could not be bothered for one day. )
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To: grundle
Using the Supreme Court Ruling as noted by the majority opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas, who wrote that the Second Amendment protects “an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.”

So Government asking the Credit Card Companies to act as a State Actor is addressed in United States constitutional law, a state actor is a person who is acting on behalf of a governmental body, and is therefore subject to limitations imposed on government by the United States Constitution.

Time to drag the Credit Card Companies into Federal Court!

35 posted on 09/10/2022 9:10:43 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: grundle

Where is my right to privacy???


36 posted on 09/10/2022 9:14:37 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I just get by fine without the ‘newest’ in guns.


37 posted on 09/10/2022 9:22:37 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
There’s really no getting around the tracking aspect of it all. Even if you pay cash, they still use facial recognition cameras everywhere - so you’re going to get “busted”.

Masks are still common enough to wear in a store.

38 posted on 09/10/2022 9:25:55 AM PDT by Starstruck ( Living life, Binge watching re-runs of actual history.)
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To: grundle

Conjoining themselves to government and goverment control, by their own doing.


39 posted on 09/10/2022 9:29:13 AM PDT by Wuli (uires )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Tell “Kueen Kathy” to give up her NYSP Guys with Purple Ties security detail with Glocks.


40 posted on 09/10/2022 9:31:29 AM PDT by Shady (The #JihadJunta: "We are now a nation of Men, Not of Laws. You are not as equal as we are...")
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