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SCIENTISTS PUZZLED BECAUSE JAMES WEBB IS SEEING STUFF THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. "THE MODELS JUST DON'T PREDICT THIS..."
The Byte ^ | 08/30/2022 | MAGGIE HARRISON

Posted on 08/30/2022 3:45:27 PM PDT by aimhigh

Over the past several weeks, NASA's ultra-powerful James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has allowed humankind some unprecedented glimpses into the farthest reaches of our universe. And unsurprisingly, some of these dazzling new observations have raised more questions than they've answered.

For a long time, for instance, scientists believed the universe's earliest, oldest galaxies to be small, slightly chaotic, and misshapen systems. But according to the Washington Post, JWST-captured imagery has revealed those galaxies to be shockingly massive, not to mention balanced and well-formed — a finding that challenges, and will likely rewrite, long-held understandings about the origins of our universe.

"The models just don't predict this," Garth Illingworth, an astronomer at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told WaPo. "How do you do this in the universe at such an early time? How do you form so many stars so quickly?"

(Excerpt) Read more at futurism.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: astronomy; galaxies; garthillingworth; haltonarp; iylm; jwst; physics; science; space; steadystate; stringtheory; webb; webbtelescope
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To: DouglasKC

I think that is the summary.

The details are what’s interesting.


41 posted on 08/30/2022 4:10:25 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: aimhigh
before the JWST was launched into orbit, Hubble's imagery was "missing all the colder stars and the older stars. We were really only seeing the hot young ones."

They thought they were looking at Hollywood stars.

42 posted on 08/30/2022 4:10:29 PM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: aimhigh
"The models just don't predict this,"

So tell me more about "global warming".

43 posted on 08/30/2022 4:10:58 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: aimhigh

Just wait until they see our own galaxy and realize the universe is a loop.


44 posted on 08/30/2022 4:11:46 PM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Engineers make small-minded theorists look like fools all the time.


45 posted on 08/30/2022 4:13:14 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: aimhigh

Too many folks mistake the “Big Bang” for a Big Explosion.

The Universe was a LOT smaller back then. Things could build up fast because there was less room between clumps of matter.

There is even a theory that there were massive “dark matter” stars that were causing matter to clump.

Who knows. No human was around to see.


46 posted on 08/30/2022 4:13:17 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

Keep clinging to the old religion Chad_the_Impaler. Maybe you can blow up the Webb telescope and save us from the truth. The universe is infinite.


47 posted on 08/30/2022 4:14:51 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: WeaslesRippedMyFlesh

48 posted on 08/30/2022 4:14:59 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: WMarshal

We have no clue what is going on with the “universe”.

The more we know the more we should realize we do not know.

Humility is a virtue—especially when dealing with such matters.


49 posted on 08/30/2022 4:17:18 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: aimhigh

“The models just don’t predict this,”

Predicting the past is kind of an odd concept when you think about it too much.


50 posted on 08/30/2022 4:18:30 PM PDT by Neverlift (When someone says "you just can't make this stuff up" odds are good, somebody did.)
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To: aimhigh
Folks, particularly those many of you who aren't scientists and have an ugly habit of sneering at science that you don't understand at all:

"The models just don't predict this,"

THAT IS WHY WE MAKE MORE AND BETTER OBSERVATIONS. WE LIKE TO LEARN NEW THINGS. WE LIKE TO GET RID OF MODELS AND THEORIES THAT DON'T WORK, AND REPLACE THEM WITH BETTER MODELS AND THEORIES.

That's how science works.

The people who know they don't know everything, and are happy with new discoveries, are scientists.

The people who think they know it all are flim-flam artists.

51 posted on 08/30/2022 4:19:46 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: aimhigh

Maybe God/the Supreme Being was in a hurry that day-or maybe He just wanted to do something different-no one knows the mind of God-and that illustrates why science can never, ever be “settled”...


52 posted on 08/30/2022 4:20:25 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: aimhigh

Well, I guess “science” is going to have to go research Genesis 1 to find the correct answer.


53 posted on 08/30/2022 4:21:47 PM PDT by Gritty (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution. - Saul Alinsky)
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To: DannyTN

“I was expecting a Vogon constructor fleet.”

I was trying to explain British humor to a young woman. I gave up and said, “Okay, it’s an acquired taste.”


54 posted on 08/30/2022 4:25:43 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: aimhigh

“The models...”

Are just like bleached bones the witch doctors used to use.


55 posted on 08/30/2022 4:27:48 PM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: aimhigh

“imagery has revealed those galaxies to be shockingly massive, not to mention balanced and well-formed”

God has a way of creating things that way — balanced and well formed.


56 posted on 08/30/2022 4:27:51 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: cicero2k

“There’s no such thing as gravity as a force. That’s hard to let go.”

When did they teach that? I never heard that before.


57 posted on 08/30/2022 4:28:00 PM PDT by algore
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To: aimhigh

Ah yes, the models. We can’t produce energy because of the models. The models required us to be locked down for a year and a half. The models predicted NYC would be underwater 6 years ago and so on and so on and so on.


58 posted on 08/30/2022 4:29:28 PM PDT by Baldwin
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To: NoLibZone

yep. DOUBT, not trust lays at the heart of the scientific method.

Its all about facts and evidence. It is never about opinions....ie some illusory “consensus”.


59 posted on 08/30/2022 4:29:43 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: aimhigh

Oh noes

Science does it again


60 posted on 08/30/2022 4:33:40 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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