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SCIENTISTS PUZZLED BECAUSE JAMES WEBB IS SEEING STUFF THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. "THE MODELS JUST DON'T PREDICT THIS..."
The Byte ^ | 08/30/2022 | MAGGIE HARRISON

Posted on 08/30/2022 3:45:27 PM PDT by aimhigh

Over the past several weeks, NASA's ultra-powerful James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has allowed humankind some unprecedented glimpses into the farthest reaches of our universe. And unsurprisingly, some of these dazzling new observations have raised more questions than they've answered.

For a long time, for instance, scientists believed the universe's earliest, oldest galaxies to be small, slightly chaotic, and misshapen systems. But according to the Washington Post, JWST-captured imagery has revealed those galaxies to be shockingly massive, not to mention balanced and well-formed — a finding that challenges, and will likely rewrite, long-held understandings about the origins of our universe.

"The models just don't predict this," Garth Illingworth, an astronomer at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told WaPo. "How do you do this in the universe at such an early time? How do you form so many stars so quickly?"

(Excerpt) Read more at futurism.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: astronomy; galaxies; garthillingworth; haltonarp; iylm; jwst; physics; science; space; steadystate; stringtheory; webb; webbtelescope
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To: minnesota_bound

That website uses a bad font called ‘Bitter’ and then makes the text a light grey. It is like they want people to quickly leave the website.


141 posted on 08/31/2022 12:28:13 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: itsahoot

Nobody is saying these galaxies are trillion of light years away. The claim is that they are at high redshifts like 14-17 which puts them roughly 250 million years after the Big Bang. It should be kept in mind the redshifts claimed are from ascertaining the overall color of the galaxies and not from spectroscopic redshifts. When we have those it can be established if these galaxies are really at those high redshifts.


142 posted on 08/31/2022 7:50:06 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: marktwain

Yes, but too much knowledge that changes everything too fast is very hard to absorb, which is why Hubble has been compared to the invention of the microscope.

It reminds me of the song by “Weird Al” Yankovic, “Everything You Know Is Wrong”.

This most recent discovery hits at one of the founding pillars of understanding about the universe. That is, vast amounts of mathematics and theory based on the Big Bang, which are now called into question, needing major revision at best.

It was originally said that it would take “hundreds” of years to digest what Hubble discovered. With Webb, who knows?


143 posted on 08/31/2022 8:45:45 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: Flick Lives

I noted before on another Web thread that Dave was wrong.

It’s full of GALAXIES!


144 posted on 08/31/2022 9:30:44 AM PDT by JackFromTexas (- Not For Hire -)
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To: Chad_the_Impaler
Nobody is saying these galaxies are trillion of light years away.

They estimate the observable universe is 94 billion light years across but we can only visibly observe about 13.4 billion light years.

By my estimation the Universe is 13 trillion light years wide. We of course can't see that far but take my word for it, it is.

145 posted on 08/31/2022 10:47:07 AM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: itsahoot
They estimate the observable universe is 94 billion light years across but we can only visibly observe about 13.4 billion light years.

The size of the observable universe is exactly the same as the size of the universe we can observe ... by definition.
146 posted on 08/31/2022 11:25:48 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: itsahoot

What they mean by those different numbers is that while the light left 13.4 billion years ago, in the meantime, the universe continued to expand, so that it is 94 billion light years today.


147 posted on 08/31/2022 11:29:10 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Chad_the_Impaler
The size of the observable universe is exactly the same as the size of the universe we can observe ... by definition.

Those were not my words, just more nonsense that showed up in a google search.

I have lost a lot of respect for the scientific community because of the way the medical profession bought into this Covid nonsense, all while most all of scientists avoided the issue all together while we destroyed the world economy.

148 posted on 08/31/2022 4:16:36 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: dirtymac

It’s true that science has become politicized, especially certain fields. It saddens me and alarms me greatly. Everything, it seems, has become politicized.

My Dad was a Real Scientist (chemistry and physics). He and his fellow Real Scientists were some of the least arrogant men you’ll ever meet. No one could have ever called my Dad smug. Real Scientists know they don’t have all the answers and say so. They have true humility, like my Dad and his friends.

Well, that generation is fast passing away. But it does not mean every scientist is now untrustworthy. The way I see it, being anti-science (as opposed to working for a restoration of proper science, Real Science), is falling into a trap, cutting off our noses to spite our faces. We have to do due diligence and examine scientists’ claims as best we can. This is bothersome and time consuming, but here we are.


149 posted on 08/31/2022 6:00:51 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd

I can sense the sadness for the current state of affairs in the scientific community. I feel it also. Personally, I don’t have a lot of time for emotional issues and have felt more at home dealing with the cold hard facts, as usually exhibited by the scientific community. But starting about 20-30 years ago it really started to change, most notably was in the scientific publications.

Very sad.


150 posted on 08/31/2022 7:15:21 PM PDT by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOWhx) )
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To: dirtymac

My Dad’s field (nuclear physics/chemical engineering) was less affected, I think. He was dismayed at what he saw happening in other fields, as was I. He retired in the mid-90s but continued doing consulting and writing papers. So maybe it has gone downhill in his field, too, since then.

Back in the mid-80s, I ran into a top NASA scientist, very nice Christian man, who was grateful to me for helping his son when he was injured in an accident not involving me (fell out of a tree). The Global Warming nonsense was just starting up. I was already skeptical then, and so was my Dad, so I asked his opinion about it as it was a thing at NASA at the time. He asked me not to tell anyone, but ... well you can guess what he said. So it was already political even then.

Some of the whacky stuff trying to pass itself off as “science” that gets posted on FR lately and eagerly swallowed whole leaves me shaking my head, I must say. Can’t anybody even do math anymore? I get distrusting the scientific establishment, but that does not mean every crackpot claim based on dodgy “science” and basic math errors is automatically right, either.


151 posted on 08/31/2022 7:45:31 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: aimhigh

I live in a world where I am being called a fascist, the President has gone psycho, elections are rigged and the FBI is acting like the Gestapo and I am somehow supposed to be interested in this “revelation”? This is a diversion a shiny object to keep our attention.


152 posted on 08/31/2022 7:54:58 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

“...those galaxies to be shockingly massive, not to mention balanced and well-formed...”

I’ve had in the back of my mind that a smaller universe with as much matter as we have today would be pretty crowded and chaotic. I guess it’s crowded but that crowding forces it to be organized.


153 posted on 09/12/2022 4:46:36 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: aimhigh

BOOKMARK.

My pastor talked about this last week.


154 posted on 09/12/2022 5:26:47 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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