Posted on 08/05/2022 7:27:14 AM PDT by JonPreston
Ukrainian forces have exposed civilians to Russian attacks at times by basing themselves in schools, residential buildings and other places in populated areas, according to a report Amnesty International published Thursday.
AP journalists observed several scenes in recent weeks that mirrored the findings of Amnesty’s researchers, including the aftermath of weapon strikes in eastern Ukraine where Ukrainian fighters, their vehicles or items such as ammunition were at attack sites.
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No Ukrainian schools have children attending school in person anywhere near the conflict. That would be moronic. Russian attacks killing children are not because they are attending school. The attacks are on refugees, like the city of Mariupol theater, which had the word 'children' written outside.
No, the quote is taken directly from the Amnesty International article. Amnesty International stated - International humanitarian law does not specifically ban parties to a conflict from basing themselves in schools that are not in session
“Ukrainian forces have exposed civilians to Russian attacks at times by basing themselves in schools, residential buildings and other places in populated areas, according to a report Amnesty International published Thursday.
AP journalists observed several scenes in recent weeks that mirrored the findings of Amnesty's researchers, including the aftermath of weapon strikes in eastern Ukraine where Ukrainian fighters, their vehicles or items such as ammunition were at attack sites.”
Again, civilians and school children would not have been killed by Russian attacks on Ukrainian troops hiding in civilian places if there were no civilians there.
Did you read the whole Amnesty International article? Amnesty states - 'International humanitarian law does not specifically ban parties to a conflict from basing themselves in schools that are not in session'. Amnesty still criticizes Ukraine because the schools are based in residential areas, which is silly. It means Ukrainians troops have to retreat from any village, town or city with people in it rather than defend it, because civilians may get hurt.
Nope.
It means don't deliberately hide troops in prime civilian targets to use the civilians as human shield.
Saddam did that. The Taliban did that etc etc.
But if you use civilians as human shield, you shouldn't complain if the civilians get killed.
Amnesty clearly states Ukrainian soldiers should move to 'nearby woods' to not 'endanger civilians'. This is silly. US defenders of Bastogne during WW2 would be accused of war crimes by Amnesty, because they did not move to the nearby woods and instead put civilians in harm’s way by "establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas".
Viable alternatives were available that would not endanger civilians – such as military bases or densely wooded areas nearby, or other structures further away from residential areas
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
Journalists from around the world, and local citizens have recorded thousands of instances where Russian fighters and their vehicles are either in houses and other civilian building or hidden next to them. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you are for making that argument?
Here is a Russian anti-aircraft system hidden right next to an apartment building. There are thousands more just like it.
You Ukraine trolls are laughable.
That “argument” as you put it, was not made by me. It was made by the Associated Press. I quoted it verbatim from the OP.
Read it then get back to me.
Nothing “silly” about that.
The real war crime here is cowardly Ukraine soldiers deliberately using their own civilians and school children as human shields.
Even Amnesty International and the AP have seen it and complained about it. And those guys back Ukraine.
US defenders of Bastogne during WW2 would be accused of war crimes by Amnesty, because they did not move to the nearby woods and instead put civilians in harm's way by “establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas”.
The US committed huge war crimes in WW II.
Look up the deliberate bombing and slaughter of civilians in Dresden by the US and the UK air forces. We haven't even mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki yet, where 200,000 civilians were slaughtered.
Nothing “silly” about that.
Of course its silly. It means you cannot defend any village, town or city, because civilians in the area could be killed.
The real war crime here is cowardly Ukraine soldiers deliberately using their own civilians and school children as human shields.
Wish you would actually read the article. Amnesty doesn't accuse Ukrainian soldiers of using "school children as human shields". They are accused of using schools, that are empty. But since they are in residential areas that is a violation according to Amnesty. Therefore, Ukrainians soldiers are supposed to go to the nearby forests. Silly.
Of course you can.
You don't have to deliberately move your troops INTO schools and civilian heavy establishments to defend them.
Amnesty International knows something about this. They've been fighting to protect civilians in war zones for a very long time.
Again from the OP, Amnesty International backed by the AP:
““Ukrainian forces have exposed civilians to Russian attacks at times by basing themselves in schools, residential buildings and other places in populated areas, according to a report Amnesty International published Thursday.
AP journalists observed several scenes in recent weeks that mirrored the findings of Amnesty's researchers, including the aftermath of weapon strikes in eastern Ukraine where Ukrainian fighters, their vehicles or items such as ammunition were at attack sites.”
Do you always repeat the dumb ideas published by main stream media outlets like the Associated Press, CNN, MSNBC, Yahoo, and the like?
Nope.
But that is NOT the point.
I posted direct quotes from the OP (which you apparently hadn't even read), you turn round and accuse me of creating the quotes, so I point out that it was a direct quote from the Ukraine loving Amnesty International and AP.
So now you try and wiggle your way out by accusing me of constantly quoting from fake news, which is clearly a lie.
My posting history will bear me out. I am one of the strongest enemies of fake news there is on this board.
You got any more nonsense to spew out?
I have been following the Ukraine situation closely for the past six months, and can verify that the person who has accused you has very consistently been a champion of the Putin/Russia viewpoint. I would not be surprised to discover that his office is actually in that country, but then again there are plenty of disappointing people in this country.
"We now have proof that Amnesty International is just another communist Russian front organization. When the Ukrainians are forced to defend their own homes and then the Russians shell them somehow according to Amnesty International it is the Ukrainians who are endangering civilians, not the Russians who invaded Ukraine and are shelling and bombing houses, hospitals, churches, and shopping centers."
I wasn't even directed to you, but you felt the need to cite Associated Press of all sources to try to rebut my point.
My post summarizes the section in the Amnesty International report that the pro-Russian propaganda folks are so busy repeating since it was their talking point of the day.
You posts have done nothing to rebut my post, you are just trying to create a smoke screen. So tell us all, what part of my post is incorrect?
Is Amnesty International not a leftist front organization shilling for the Russians?
Did the Russians not invade Ukraine?
Have the Russians never shelled or bombed any houses, hospitals, churches or shopping centers in Ukraine?
Why would you say Amnesty International is "Ukraine loving"? There is no evidence of that.
Neither Amnesty International nor the AP are “communist Russian front orgnisations” like you keep claiming.
Both have strongly backed Ukraine in this war.The AP is one of the strongest backers of Ukraine out there. Its not hard to look it up.
The fact that the AP found evidence to support Amnesty's assertions of Ukraine using civilians as human shields doesn’t make the AP anti Ukraine. The AP is still a big propagandist for Ukraine. Look it up.
Nope.
Amnesty is a left wing outfit that usually shills for Ukraine.
Did the Russians not invade Ukraine?
Yes. Had nothing to do with Amnesty International.
Have the Russians never shelled or bombed any houses, hospitals, churches or shopping centers in Ukraine?
Did America deliberately shell and bomb thousands of homes, hospitals and churches in Dresden in Germany in WW II and kill literally tens of thousands of civilians at least? YUP.
And slaughter 200,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan in WW II by exploding atomic bombs over 2 entire cities? YUP
Why would you say Amnesty International is “Ukraine loving”? There is no evidence of that.
Can you read?
Russian attacks in Ukraine ‘could constitute war crimes’: Amnesty International
Ukraine: Russian military have carried out indiscriminate attacks .
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