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After Indiana Mall Shooting, One Hero but No Lasting Solution
The New York Times via Yahoo ^ | July 20, 2022 | by Richard Fausset (D-NYT)

Posted on 07/20/2022 1:05:27 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

It was an act of pluck and composure worthy of a scene in the movies. But this was real life: A heavily armed man emerged from the bathroom in a Greenwood, Indiana, shopping mall on Sunday evening and began shooting — until he was killed by an armed bystander.

Mike Wright, manager of the Luca Pizza di Roma in the mall’s food court, remembers taking shelter when the firing started and then emerging when it stopped to see the bystander behind a low-slung wall with his handgun trained on the assailant he had shot to death.

“He stood there maybe 25 or 30 feet from the body and held that pistol pointed at him until law enforcement arrived,” Wright remembered Tuesday. “The good Samaritan guy seemed poised and under control. He appeared to be very disciplined.” Jim Ison, the local police chief, went further, saying that his engagement with the gunman, who had killed three people, was “nothing short of heroic.”

But along with the horror, drama and acclaim came a roaring and rekindled controversy in a country united in revulsion over its ceaseless plague of gun violence, yet bitterly divided over a loosening of gun restrictions like the Indiana law, passed this year, that allowed the bystander, Elisjsha Dicken, 22, to carry his 9-mm handgun in the first place.

But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; indiana; journalism; mall; media; press
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1 posted on 07/20/2022 1:05:27 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Uh, more armed heroes?


2 posted on 07/20/2022 1:06:41 PM PDT by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sure this kid saved lives but don’t get any crazy ideas about your right to self protection.


3 posted on 07/20/2022 1:07:55 PM PDT by skeeter
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An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker,
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Obviously we need more armed good guys.


4 posted on 07/20/2022 1:08:38 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.


I’ve heard this elsewhere in the media, with the accompanying commentary that this event is so rare, that “we shouldn’t depend” on a good guy with a gun to stop an armed assailant.


5 posted on 07/20/2022 1:08:38 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
22/433 ordinary citizens ended up shooting the attacker.

Let's see some police stats.

6 posted on 07/20/2022 1:08:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The author and other liberals are free to put up this sign as they conveniently "forget" how many crimes are stopped by the fear of getting shot.

7 posted on 07/20/2022 1:08:59 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: skeeter

Huh?


8 posted on 07/20/2022 1:10:18 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Had a tag line a couple times....maybe have another someday.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes, because an example of one is enough to ban every so-called assault rifle but an example of one is meaningless when it comes to the solution.


9 posted on 07/20/2022 1:10:32 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Obviously we need more armed good guys.

There were 400 of them at Uvalde.

10 posted on 07/20/2022 1:11:12 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These people are unhappy their narrative went down in flames. They want and need dead bodies.


11 posted on 07/20/2022 1:11:56 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We need more places that let heroes actually use a gun against the criminals the businesses willingly allowed to have guns.

When businesses let criminal acts happen like mass shootings, they really need to be held accountable.


12 posted on 07/20/2022 1:12:05 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This article is begging for John Lott to effectively rebut (as he always does).


13 posted on 07/20/2022 1:12:38 PM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966 )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All

I’m rooting for the Unicorn! Good shooting, Kid!

So, when will Brandon and his handler Mrs. Brandon be going to visit him and give him a well earned Medal of FREEDOM?

*Crickets Chirping*


14 posted on 07/20/2022 1:12:48 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No lasting solution?!?!?!? Make guns mandatory and mass shootings STOP!!!!

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia -— Crime Rate Plummets

by Chuck Baldwin

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia’s ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.
The city’s population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.
And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.
With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn’t. The fact is I can’t remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?
The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.
The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city’s crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn’t force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don’t have a death wish.
There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.


15 posted on 07/20/2022 1:13:00 PM PDT by afchief
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To: DoodleDawg

Those were cowards, not good guys.


16 posted on 07/20/2022 1:13:47 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
They never mention that 94% of these mass murder attacks occur in gun free zones.

Most lawful gun carriers don't break the law.

Indiana is an exception, because the Mall property managment policy does not have the force of law.

Even so, John Lott points to 23 cases similar to this since 2020.

17 posted on 07/20/2022 1:13:56 PM PDT by marktwain
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Uh, more armed heroes?

That guarantees you nothing. You can arm everyone in town and come crunch time the most likely scenario is that most will flee, a percentage will freeze, and a small percentage will act as the Indiana hero did. It's never going to be if enough people are armed. It's will always be right person at the right time.

18 posted on 07/20/2022 1:15:15 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Capt. Jackass reporter forgets to state the obvious. Most mass shootings are carried out in “gun free” zones reducing the chance of an armed response by a civilian. That’s exactly why these nutcase choose those “gun free” zones to run up the body count.


19 posted on 07/20/2022 1:16:46 PM PDT by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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“The reality is that more people carrying guns means more conflicts escalating into deadly violence and more people being shot and killed.”

Utter Bull Hockey and unsubstantiated nonsense.

20 posted on 07/20/2022 1:19:20 PM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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