Posted on 07/08/2022 9:21:12 AM PDT by Kazan
Western policy elites that claim not to have seen this war coming -- after the Biden administration treated Ukraine as a de facto member of NATO during all of 2021, and after Russia had been saying for nearly a decade that it would not tolerate Ukraine as a US military bulwark on its border -- are just plain fools. If they really were this blind, they were unqualified for their jobs.
Before the war started, as late as December of 2021, the Russians very probably would have settled the Ukraine problem by a declaration of permanent Ukrainian neutrality (i.e., no NATO membership, ever), some form of reasonable autonomy for the Russian-speaking, pro-Russian Donbas within Ukraine, and recognition of Crimea as Russian. This settlement in no way would have adversely affected legitimate US/Western interests. The only US ox that would have been gored by this settlement would have been that of our odious neocon triumphalists, who want America to destroy Russia and become the world's unquestioned hegemon.
It was a fool's errand for the US to provoke this war, and for that matter a fool's errand from the start (1999), for the US to expand NATO eastward in the total absence of any Russian threat after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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Don’t hyperventilate, we’re here to help. If Putin’s plan is to take over the world for Orthodox Christianity, why not do it after his victory in South Ossetia?
Quote: “ So, you don’t give a damn how many Ukrainians die fighting war they can’t win so long as the war hurts Russia or how much more territory the Ukrainians lose? Who but sociopath thinks that way?”
First off, you really need to relax here. I am thinking about this from practicalities not emotionalism. What should have happened is that this invasion should have never have happened. Biden goaded Ukraine to poke the bear and added gas instead of cooling things off.
But it did happen and now we have to make the best of it. Russia is emboldened and we must do what we can to weaken them before they turn to a NATO country. The Russians don’t want peace here, now that they have lost people, they want conquest. We have to deal with the realities on the ground that President Ice Cream has pooped us with. The Ukrainians are now pawns thanks to Biden.
Now, you cite Reagan the decry what I said as sociopathic. It tells me you are over emotional about this and not thinking clearly. Just what the heck did Reagan do to the Soviets in Afghanistan after they invaded? He was pragmatic and lethal in his dealing with the Soviets. Would your argument have been “Reagan doesn’t care how many Afghanis he kills as long as he hurts Russia?” Was he a sociopath? Was his support of the Contras sociopathic.
Let’s relax.
Russia killed itself with a coat hangar, they ain’t helping anyone.
The independent Republics of Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea disagree with you.
Yep. This was all completely unnecessary. If anything, we should have been trying to draw Russia in. The absolute last thing we ever should have wanted was to push Russia right into China’s arms. Yet.......
Seems 4 months is a long time for hugs and flowers. Maybe conscription and a mosin nagant isn’t really helping?
Did the Tartars get to vote in Crimea?
Jinping probably asked Biden to provoke Russia and start a war with them by giving false hope to Ukraine, so corporate media would focus on something else and not China or it’s behind-the-scenes mischief.
Well ya..the whole affair did. I thought we might be talking about this present/latest debacle.
Explain that to the mental midgets around here.
The War started in 2014, when the puppet government, installed thanks to Russian collusion, was overthrown after it reneged on promises to move closed to Europe. KGB Russia responded by invading Crimea and DonBas.
I can understand that. But as long as they have nukes, they can defend their borders.
I don’t know all the details, but I do know that a Democratically elected President was overthrown in a violent Revolution disenfranchising 50% of Ukrainians (including my relatives in Dneiperpetrovsk). If you think this is acceptable, you are a globalist NWO chump. Why don’t you make me change my name, sally?
....and as soon as they use nukes, they’ll loose the ability to defend their borders.
And the displaced government was the most corrupt imaginable. Viktor Yanukovych had not only his multiple cars and impressive mansions, but he also had an extensive private zoo. He purposely weakened Ukraine and enriched himself.
Not true. There was nothing constitutional about the color revolution fomented by the Obama administration. Yanukovich had agreed to another election, when armed militants stormed the Yanukovich Government. Immediately after 3 Ukrainian oblasts seceded. Revolutions have consequences. A civil war has raged, not with Russia, but within Ukraine for 8 years. Now the Russians are stepping in to help the independent Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk.
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