Russia’s will to win in Ukraine

American Thinker ^ | 7/8/2022 | By Jared Peterson

[Jan_Sobieski]

Don’t hyperventilate, we’re here to help. If Putin’s plan is to take over the world for Orthodox Christianity, why not do it after his victory in South Ossetia?

[FlipWilson]

Quote: “ So, you don’t give a damn how many Ukrainians die fighting war they can’t win so long as the war hurts Russia or how much more territory the Ukrainians lose? Who but sociopath thinks that way?”

First off, you really need to relax here. I am thinking about this from practicalities not emotionalism. What should have happened is that this invasion should have never have happened. Biden goaded Ukraine to poke the bear and added gas instead of cooling things off.

But it did happen and now we have to make the best of it. Russia is emboldened and we must do what we can to weaken them before they turn to a NATO country. The Russians don’t want peace here, now that they have lost people, they want conquest. We have to deal with the realities on the ground that President Ice Cream has pooped us with. The Ukrainians are now pawns thanks to Biden.

Now, you cite Reagan the decry what I said as sociopathic. It tells me you are over emotional about this and not thinking clearly. Just what the heck did Reagan do to the Soviets in Afghanistan after they invaded? He was pragmatic and lethal in his dealing with the Soviets. Would your argument have been “Reagan doesn’t care how many Afghanis he kills as long as he hurts Russia?” Was he a sociopath? Was his support of the Contras sociopathic.

Let’s relax.

[nicollo]

This Russia?



(maybe the Romanians are due a little land...)

[Dead Dog]

Russia killed itself with a coat hangar, they ain’t helping anyone.

[Jan_Sobieski]

The independent Republics of Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea disagree with you.

[FLT-bird]

Yep. This was all completely unnecessary. If anything, we should have been trying to draw Russia in. The absolute last thing we ever should have wanted was to push Russia right into China’s arms. Yet.......

[Dead Dog]

Seems 4 months is a long time for hugs and flowers. Maybe conscription and a mosin nagant isn’t really helping?

Did the Tartars get to vote in Crimea?

[Jan_Sobieski]

Did the Tartars get to vote in Crimea?

They chose not to vote. Fickle Tatars

[anthropocene_x]

Jinping probably asked Biden to provoke Russia and start a war with them by giving false hope to Ukraine, so corporate media would focus on something else and not China or it’s behind-the-scenes mischief.

[crz]

Well ya..the whole affair did. I thought we might be talking about this present/latest debacle.

Explain that to the mental midgets around here.

[rmlew]

The War started in 2014, when the puppet government, installed thanks to Russian collusion, was overthrown after it reneged on promises to move closed to Europe. KGB Russia responded by invading Crimea and DonBas.

[rmlew]

Thanks for the communist propoganda, comrade Kazan.
Putin and his KGB buddies wish to restore the soviet empire. If they conquer Ukraine, the next was will be in Moldova, which would spill over into Romania, a NATO member. And then we have KGB Russia's plans to retake the NATO members of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Ukraine is preventing a war between NATO and your beloved KGB Russia. Speaking of which KGB Russia is allied with China, and a Russian victory over the West is a Chinese victory, which increases the likelihood of a communist invasion of Taiwan. The real question is why the Lord Haw Haw crowd so desperately want a victory of KGB Russia and Commmunist China over America andour allies, while LARPING as conservatives.

[rmlew]

Russia was promised no NATO east of Germany and the western nations stabbed them in the back.
Globalist George HW Bush made a private promise had no right or legal authority to make. This is the same GHWB, who turned Maoist China into a superpower threat to American. There was no stabbing, unless you are calling KGB Russia the USSR. In which case, stop larping as a conservative, comrade.

[MinorityRepublican]

look at it from Russia’s (actually the city state of Moscow’s) perspective. They’ve been invaded 50 odd times, they will be invaded again....probably by whoever rises out of the ashes of Europe. The only way the defend Moscow is by controlling the 9 invasion routes into Russia; all of those are in hostile countries that have only been under Russian control by conquest or corruption.

I can understand that. But as long as they have nukes, they can defend their borders.

[rmlew]

They didn't chose not to vote. Their leaders were murdered or arrested, and the Tatars were terrorized into staying away form the polls by the Russian colonists and occupational regime. Ditto Ukrainians.
Change your name to that of a quislinf for Russia. You don't deserve the screen name of Jan II Sobieski

[Jan_Sobieski]

I don’t know all the details, but I do know that a Democratically elected President was overthrown in a violent Revolution disenfranchising 50% of Ukrainians (including my relatives in Dneiperpetrovsk). If you think this is acceptable, you are a globalist NWO chump. Why don’t you make me change my name, sally?

[Dead Dog]

....and as soon as they use nukes, they’ll loose the ability to defend their borders.

[rmlew]

The government was removed according to the Ukrainian Constitution after protests. The violence came from Russian-loyalists shooting civilians.

[Monterrosa-24]

And the displaced government was the most corrupt imaginable. Viktor Yanukovych had not only his multiple cars and impressive mansions, but he also had an extensive private zoo. He purposely weakened Ukraine and enriched himself.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Not true. There was nothing constitutional about the color revolution fomented by the Obama administration. Yanukovich had agreed to another election, when armed militants stormed the Yanukovich Government. Immediately after 3 Ukrainian oblasts seceded. Revolutions have consequences. A civil war has raged, not with Russia, but within Ukraine for 8 years. Now the Russians are stepping in to help the independent Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk.