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No free EV charging without free gasoline, diesel: NC House bill would place limits on car charging stations
CBS17.COM ^ | 06/13/22 | Steve Doyle

Posted on 06/28/2022 11:33:32 AM PDT by CodeJockey

RALEIGH, N.C. (WGHP) – There should be no such thing as a free charge for an electronic vehicle unless there is also free gasoline and diesel fuel for all other motorists.

That’s the underlying principle of a bill filed in the North Carolina House that would create strict rules for free charging stations for electric vehicles on both private and public property.

What the bill requires:

But HB 1049 would place restrictions on private businesses and even state government that would appear to contradict such investments. It stipulates that:

Any customer who uses an EV station must receive a receipt that lists a charge for that electrical usage.

No public funds can be spent on free EV charging stations on state property – even leased property – unless free gasoline and diesel are offered, too.

No city or county can spend public money to provide EV charging stations without the required free gasoline and diesel.

The state would allocate $50,000 to remove EV charging stations already in place that do not comply with those stipulations.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbs17.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: 1049; charging; ev; northcarolina
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This has got to happen soon or later. Taxpayers are currently providing free "energy" to EV owners at certain locations.
1 posted on 06/28/2022 11:33:32 AM PDT by CodeJockey
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To: CodeJockey

What about the Tesla sales that include so much charge time at Tesla supercharger locations ?

That’s part of a valid contract.


2 posted on 06/28/2022 11:36:09 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: CodeJockey

If EVs cannot succeed without government placing their proverbial thumbs on the scales they ultimately will not succeed with government support.


3 posted on 06/28/2022 11:36:56 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: CodeJockey

And road tax..


4 posted on 06/28/2022 11:38:08 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: CodeJockey

Vendors can let your credit card SWIPE a transaction if it makes customers feel happy.


5 posted on 06/28/2022 11:38:19 AM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: George from New England

“What about the Tesla sales that include so much charge time at Tesla supercharger locations ?”

Read the friggin’ article!


6 posted on 06/28/2022 11:38:29 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: George from New England

yep. And technically it’s not free. Since it is represented in the purchase cost.


7 posted on 06/28/2022 11:39:00 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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Dumb idea. If somebody wants to give something away for free let them.

What makes more sense is to make them pay a fee for road maintenance since they don’t pay any now.

As far as companies “gifting” electricity, that could be considered a gift, so it would be subject to gift taxes


8 posted on 06/28/2022 11:41:14 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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I suspect this is all about protecting businesses that install their own charging infrastructure from unfair competition from governments and businesses that use taxpayer money to build them for “free.”


9 posted on 06/28/2022 11:43:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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And road tax..

Many states already have road tax covered in the form of annual car registrations, sometimes hundreds of dollars extra charged for EV ownership as compared to ICE vehicles. Which is comparable to driving an EV for up to 50,000 miles a year as compared to gas taxes for an ICE vehicle, even though an EV may be driven for only a couple thousand miles a year. The states are already getting their road tax out of EV's in many states.

10 posted on 06/28/2022 11:45:17 AM PDT by roadcat
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Read the friggin’ article!

Where in the article does it mention Tesla specifically. Tesla owners might be paying for their 'fuel' when they initially pay for the EV, since they're so expensive to purchase.
11 posted on 06/28/2022 11:46:07 AM PDT by adorno
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Taxpayers are currently providing free "energy" to EV owners at certain locations

Yeah, it always aggravates me to see these guys lined up and getting power from the "free" power stations at a local mall. Aside from the fact that they set up these power stations right in the places where I always used to park.

12 posted on 06/28/2022 11:46:50 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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Cooper will never sign this and we don’t have a vetoproof majority anymore. IMHO its just a distraction from the medicaid expansion they’ve been considering.


13 posted on 06/28/2022 11:47:05 AM PDT by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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And free use of the roads as no road taxes are collected either


14 posted on 06/28/2022 11:49:01 AM PDT by cableguymn
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Obviously it’s doomed to fail as there is not going to be free gas and diesel.

But it may lead to the state getting out of the EV charging business and making private charging station owners pay the power company for the electricity.

There’s probably some state law that allows EV’s to charge while the power company picks up the tab, especially on public property.

Glad to see this is finally coming to light.


15 posted on 06/28/2022 11:49:38 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Biden is a kleptocrat (he just can't pronounce it) )
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To: mowowie

Road maintenance already being covered for EV’s in many states.

Special Fees on Plug-In Hybrid and Electric Vehicles

https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx


16 posted on 06/28/2022 11:50:58 AM PDT by roadcat
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Free use of roads not true.

Special Fees on Plug-In Hybrid and Electric Vehicles

https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx


17 posted on 06/28/2022 11:52:20 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: George from New England

“That’s part of a valid contract.”

Well, the government invalidates valid contracts all the time...


18 posted on 06/28/2022 11:54:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Rurudyne; George from New England

I don’t think the “free” chargers are talking about the freebies as a benefit from purchase contracts (i.e. Hyundai’s new EV’s come with 2 years free charging at Electrify America stations). This is talking about local government money by cities setting up free chargers to any EV owner, but not free gas pumps for ICE owners.


19 posted on 06/28/2022 11:59:54 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: aquila48

“If somebody wants to give something away for free let them.”

Well, there are 2 problems that I can see right away with that idea.

First, if they are using taxpayer dollars to subsidize the “free” stuff, then it’s not really free, and the legislature certainly has a right to say how the taxpayers’ money should be spent.

Second, we have laws against price-fixing and anti-competitive business practices that this kind of thing could run afoul of. For example, if I am running a watermelon stand, I can’t just give away free watermelons, taking a loss, if my intention in doing so is to drive all the other watermelon stands out of business so I can control the whole market. That kind of thing is illegal.


20 posted on 06/28/2022 12:02:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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