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An ex-member of one of the world's most dangerous mercenary groups has gone public
National Public Radio, All things Considered. ^ | June 6, 2022 | Eleanor Beardsley

Posted on 06/21/2022 2:15:14 PM PDT by Widget Jr

PARIS — Marat Gabidullin's face is lined from years of exposure to the elements, and his hair is thinning. But at 56, he has the trim physique and muscular arms of a man 30 years younger. He wears a chunky ring bearing the image of a skull.

The skull is the symbol of the Wagner Group — a private Russian mercenary force believed to be financed by an oligarch with close ties to President Vladimir Putin. The group is fighting alongside the Russian army in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region. And it's widely believed that at least some of the "little green men" — well-trained fighters who wore fatigues without insignia or markings — who took over part of eastern Ukraine in 2014 were Wagner Group soldiers.

This week, Ukraine accused at least two Wagner Group members of war crimes.

But Wagner Group activities aren't limited to Ukraine. The organization has also been active across Africa in recent years — Libya, Sudan, Mozambique, Mali and the Central African Republic. Today there are thought to be some 10,000 Wagner Group members. Sign Up For The NPR Daily Newsletter

Gabidullin, who lives in France, where he has asked for asylum, is the first former Wagner soldier to speak publicly. A French publisher, Michel Lafon, has released his book about his experiences, Moi Marat, ex-Commandant de l'armee Wagner (I Marat, ex-Commander in the Wagner Army). The book was published last year in Russian but has yet to appear in English.

Born in the Soviet region of Bashkirskaya, in today's central Russia, Gabidullin served 10 years as an officer in the Soviet army before being laid off. In 2015, he found himself unemployed and at a low point in his life.

"I was depressed and a friend told me about this private military company that I could qualify for because of my military background," he says.

The Wagner Group first came to public attention in 2014

The Wagner Group is often called "Putin's shadow army," though the Kremlin has always denied responsibility for, or even knowledge of, its activities. The group is believed to have been founded in 2014 by a Russian veteran of the Chechen war who so admired Hitler he named the group after Richard Wagner, the führer's favorite composer.

The organization first came to the world's attention in 2014, fighting alongside Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

The U.S. government has called Wagner a "proxy force" of Russia's defense ministry. Gabidullin says in many ways, the group is similar to the Russian army — with many former officers in the corps. But it's also very different.

"It's very flexible and can change structure quickly, depending on the circumstances," he says. "It's a small military that's equipped with everything. And what we do depends on our client."

Those clients are known to range from the junta governing Mali to Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Gabidullin served three years in Syria.

"In Syria, one goal was to quickly achieve victory," he says. "But the second goal that was just as important, was to hide the number of losses that the Russian military had in that campaign. Because we wanted to create an image of a strong Russian military that achieved victory at a small cost."

But it was all deception, he says. The cost was huge, but no one will ever know the real numbers. In fact, experts say, often it's Wagner Group soldiers on the front lines — so their losses are higher than the regular army's, and private armies go uncounted.

The group is known for spreading disinformation as well as mercenaries

Kevin Limonier, a Wagner Group specialist who teaches geopolitics at the University of Paris 8, says Wagner is not a group, it's a brand, and very much unlike the Russian army. "It does not exist as an official structure," he says.

That, Limonier says, makes Wagner different from private military companies like the notorious — and very public — U.S. company Blackwater, which made billions during U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan before changing hands and renaming itself.

Limonier calls the Wagner Group "a galaxy of organizations with different names that are hard to trace."

Western governments and analysts who study the group believe the Wagner Group is financed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the same oligarch still wanted by the FBI for interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Limonier says Pregozhin has an empire based on three types of activities.

"The first type of activity is, of course, mercenary and the security business," he says. "The second type is the disinformation business and information warfare, and the third is the exploitation of natural resources in Africa."

This expert says Wagner's earnings have grown tremendously in recent years because of its operations in Africa.

A recent documentary that aired on the France 2 public television network shows how these three activities intersect to — as the documentary puts it — prop up corrupt regimes, terrorize local populations and spin lies.

Wagner has gotten attention in France in recent years because of its presence in former French colonies, notably the Central African Republic and Mali. France had a 5,000-strong force fighting terrorism in Mali from 2013 until January of this year.

When those forces entered Mali, they were widely welcomed and pushed back a jihadist offensive. But local hostilities mounted over the years, which Limonier says were stoked by the Wagner Group.

"Because Mali is a former French colony, relations with Paris can be complicated," he says. "A French presence can be viewed as the continuity of the colonial authority."

Limonier says the Wagner Group amplified this narrative, accusing the French forces of stirring up violence in the region, and pushing the message in disinformation campaigns.

In April, the French army released imagery from drone cameras that showed Wagner Group soldiers laying out dead bodies in the sand near a French army base in Mali after the French withdrew. The images made the rounds of social media with the statement, "look what the French army left behind."

A May 30 United Nations report documents a rise in violence in Mali – summary executions, forced disappearances and torture — since its military began partnering with the Russian mercenaries in January. The U.N. says the number of civilians killed in Mali rose by 324% compared to last year, and human rights abuses rose by 150%. The Malian army's role in these acts was up by 932% in just the first three months of 2022, according to the report. Wagner Group mercenaries exist "in a legal vacuum"

The only way to fight the Wagner Group is to expose what they are doing, says Limonier. But it can be dangerous. Three Russian journalists working with an investigative media outlet run by exiled, anti-Kremlin Russian tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky were killed in an ambush in 2018 while trying to cover Wagner's operations in the Central African Republic.

"Wagner is organized by people who grew up in a post-Soviet society, where violence and death just don't have the same meaning as they have in our Western societies," says Limonier.

Gabidullin says when you're part of Wagner, you more or less fend for yourself, because your job doesn't exist in the real world.

"A person who is part of this group exists in a legal vacuum," he says. "So whatever happens to him, happens." The company isn't registered in Russia or anywhere else.

But that also means, Gabidullin says, that soldiers are relieved of any consequences for their behavior — a person who "doesn't exist" can do anything.

Gabidullin says he left Wagner because he became morally exhausted in Syria, fighting for a corrupt government that was hated by its own citizens. He says he was asked to fight in Ukraine but refused.

He says he wrote his book because he wants the Russian people to know the truth about Syria, their country's wars and the lies of their government.

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I'm not a big fan of NPR. This is a straight interview with a former Wagner Group member, giving the insider view. Summary of Wagner Group's goals while Marat was a member:

This is all replicated in Ukraine. Since the company is not registered in Russia, the Kremlin gets to keep is hands officially clean while giving the orders and sanctioning everything the Wagner Group does.

1 posted on 06/21/2022 2:15:14 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

It is interesting how in this conflict the most effective warriors are mercenaries. Very retro. Almost medieval.

2 posted on 06/21/2022 2:22:12 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Widget Jr


No different than Blackwater et al. i.e., CIA “contractors”…

3 posted on 06/21/2022 2:28:48 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Widget Jr

I am so glad the US does everything above-board.

4 posted on 06/21/2022 2:31:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: logi_cal869; E. Pluribus Unum
#3, #4: The U.S. never hid the involvement of contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan and holds them legally accountable.

Russia uses Private Military Corporations as substitutes for the Russian Army, pretends they do not exist, and looks the other way.

5 posted on 06/21/2022 2:41:59 PM PDT by Widget Jr (Disobey your television.)
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To: Widget Jr

The reaction to articles like this are very telling.

6 posted on 06/21/2022 2:42:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: Widget Jr
the Wagner Group is financed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the same oligarch still wanted by the FBI for interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

LOL, he's not that wanted, because it was all nonsense. Team Hillary just tagged some not-too-random Russians with their crimes.

7 posted on 06/21/2022 2:47:03 PM PDT by dead (
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To: logi_cal869

Morally broken...

8 posted on 06/21/2022 2:48:24 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am so glad the US does everything above-board.
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‘above’ has hints of ‘supremacy’

Please be careful

9 posted on 06/21/2022 2:53:28 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: Widget Jr

Too many “believes” and disinformation about Blackwater who “reportedly” never lost a person they were escorting/protecting. Two can play this game!

10 posted on 06/21/2022 3:03:26 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: logi_cal869

“No different than Blackwater et al. i.e., CIA “contractors”…”

BS. First off Blackwater were DoD contractors, not CIA. Secondly Blackwater was contracted to provide defensive security not conduct offensive operations. Their job was to protect personnel and locations such as convoys and embassies. They did not conduct offensive operations, seize territory or attack enemy positions.

11 posted on 06/21/2022 3:07:46 PM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Widget Jr

Natalie Wood was not available for comment.

12 posted on 06/21/2022 3:16:35 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: Justa

Oh, facts, logic and reason again!/sarc

There are some, here, that think it’s perfectly acceptable for the invading army to use actual mercenaries, but cry foul when the invaded country allows foreigners to become citizens and then join the military.
Of course, they rejoice, when they are captured and sentenced to death by a kangaroo court.

13 posted on 06/21/2022 3:22:07 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: BenLurkin
The Russian government has been treating it's military like garbage for over a century now.

Conscription means you do not need anything to lure people to join, it also means that you only get the people who could not, for some reason get out of it.

They feared their generals would stage a coup (gee I wonder why they would think that?) and so kept the military down and removed any military leaders they found to be to popular, to effective, to smart, to political and so forth.

14 posted on 06/21/2022 3:22:42 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: Widget Jr
We're mercenaries and we expect to get paid!

15 posted on 06/21/2022 3:26:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: DoughtyOne

#6. Yep. Noticed that. The trolls are trying really hard to get fed.

16 posted on 06/21/2022 3:27:43 PM PDT by Widget Jr (Disobey your television.)
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To: Widget Jr

Despite the West’s best efforts President Assad remains quite popular amongst the non-jihadist population of does Russian President Putin.

17 posted on 06/21/2022 3:31:05 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; Justa; Widget Jr; logi_cal869
For what it's worth (and your mileage may vary on their veracity), there were allegations reported on at the time that Blackwater did in fact engage in offensive operations, and that their assignments were not purely defensive.

Just thinking in terms of probability (especially given their proximity to the conflict and the usefulness of having a private entity take on missions which did not fall under the oversight of the military chain of command), about the nature of "legal accountability" and how far it can be stretched (since the US military does indeed have a lot impunity in how it's conducted its affairs in various foreign operations over the past few decades), and the willingness of our government to lie to American citizens if it believes the cost is worth it...I would not be surprised in the least if the allegations that Blackwater committed offensive operations were true.

Will we find out for sure? Probably not until everyone involved is old or long dead.

18 posted on 06/21/2022 3:35:12 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Widget Jr
Wagner Group is financed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the same oligarch still wanted by the FBI for interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election., lol

Poor Hillary! The FBI, they act as Hillary’s private army. She has ties to Ukraine, right ?

All things considered indeed.

19 posted on 06/21/2022 3:43:27 PM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

First link a James Risen article, lol.

20 posted on 06/21/2022 3:44:24 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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