Posted on 06/20/2022 10:09:17 AM PDT by Oak007
President Donald Trump recently issued his fourth official statement about me since our controversial interview two months ago. At the risk of further incurring his wrath, if anyone is drawing flies right now, it’s Donald Trump. If you were scripting a perfect Republican presidential candidate, the list of preferred requirements would read something like DeSantis’s resume.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
“Man your postings sure fit a pattern, a very bad one.”
Oh dear...
I just found an excellent link from 2012 when I was looking for that.
Political Junkie Too posted this back in 2012
From The Rights of Man, The Rights Of Man, Chapter 4 — Of Constitutions, Thomas Paine, 1791:
If there is any government where prerogatives might with apparent safety be entrusted to any individual, it is in the federal government of America. The president of the United States of America is elected only for four years. He is not only responsible in the general sense of the word, but a particular mode is laid down in the constitution for trying him. He cannot be elected under thirty-five years of age; and he must be a native of the country.
In a comparison of these cases with the Government of England, the difference when applied to the latter amounts to an absurdity. In England the person who exercises prerogative is often a foreigner; always half a foreigner, and always married to a foreigner. He is never in full natural or political connection with the country, is not responsible for anything, and becomes of age at eighteen years; yet such a person is permitted to form foreign alliances, without even the knowledge of the nation, and to make war and peace without its consent.
But this is not all. Though such a person cannot dispose of the government in the manner of a testator, he dictates the marriage connections, which, in effect, accomplish a great part of the same end. He cannot directly bequeath half the government to Prussia, but he can form a marriage partnership that will produce almost the same thing. Under such circumstances, it is happy for England that she is not situated on the Continent, or she might, like Holland, fall under the dictatorship of Prussia. Holland, by marriage, is as effectually governed by Prussia, as if the old tyranny of bequeathing the government had been the means.
The presidency in America (or, as it is sometimes called, the executive) is the only office from which a foreigner is excluded, and in England it is the only one to which he is admitted. A foreigner cannot be a member of Parliament, but he may be what is called a king. If there is any reason for excluding foreigners, it ought to be from those offices where mischief can most be acted, and where, by uniting every bias of interest and attachment, the trust is best secured. But as nations proceed in the great business of forming constitutions, they will examine with more precision into the nature and business of that department which is called the executive. What the legislative and judicial departments are every one can see; but with respect to what, in Europe, is called the executive, as distinct from those two, it is either a political superfluity or a chaos of unknown things.
Yes, Paine did use the term “native of the country.” Does this mean “native born” instead of “natural born?” We have to look at the following statements to answer that question.
Paine refers to Engish examples in order to define this. Paine cites “foreigner” and “half a foreigner” as the oppposite to “full natural” connection to the country. So, what is “half a foreigner?”
It seems to me that “half a foreigner” is a person with one parent who is a citizen and one parent who is not. This person does not have have a “full natural... connection with the country.”
Paine wrote plainly of why the Framers did not want “half-foreigners” to be president, and why only people with a “full natural... connection with the country” were allowed to become President.
Paine was widely recognized as the most influential writer of the time of Independence because of his plain writing style that resonated with the common person.
Paine’s description of the meaning of Article II was written in 1791, and I take it to be reflective of the common understanding of the time. This was, after all, written just two years after the ratification of the Constitution. If Paine said that natural born citizens meant both parents were citizens, then that was the plain meaning.
-PJ
18 posted on 7/18/2012 7:10:53 PM by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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“DeSantis believes in the same policies as Trump but he can get things done without the controversy.”
Eggzactly. However if he becomes a Putard and the nominee, I will have to sit this election out. No way I’m voting Dem.
Besides, the votes will be stolen anyway, so why bother really....
if the left cant force us to comply, they will fully support leaving.
> This was the most serious problem... <
Aw, come on. I referenced that problem when I said, “The Senate traditionally gives a President (even one they don’t like) wide leeway when it comes to appointments.”
The 2017 Senate was a Republican Senate. Yes, it had quite a few GOPe types like McConnell. But I simply cannot believe they should have shot down stronger Trump appointments. After all, we’re talking about Mitch McConnell here, not Bernie Sanders.
Memo to Rupert Murdoch: No it isn’t.
Should the uniparty’s GOPe wing nominate anyone but Trump watch millions of MAGA voters stay home one election night. In 2024 it’s Trump or nothing.
His SCOTUS appointment were fair to excellent. Barrett being the excellent.
The next time I take my voting advice from Piers Morgan will be the...
> I believe that the traitorous Turtle told him ahead of time the names of those who could, and could not, be confirmed by Senate. <
MayflowerMadam raises an interesting possibility here. If that really happened, Trump needs to tell us, or at least hint at it. The less things that remain hidden, the better.
I think the answer is obvious. :)
I wouldn’t argue with parts of that.
I will touch on the Patton aspect though.
After listing the entities against him, do you honestly think
he could have gotten anything done trying to be the consummate
go along to get along guy?
From the moment he was elected, everyone on capital hill
was preparing to dig in their heels.
Those idiots, many of them actually bought into the
Russian collusion scandal. Ryan thought he’d be gone in
months.
McConnell’s big problem was that he wasn’t going to let
some non-politician upstart come in and fix things. He
refused to work with Trump.
We had waited decades with a list of things we wanted
corrected, and along came a guy that would have signed
all of it.
McConnell and Ryan put up one big bill during Trumps
first two years with a full majority in Congress. That
bill sunsets in 18 months.
They had no list at all. Trump promised a tax cut, and
he more or less twisted their arms to get that.
They wouldn’t even fund the border.
Patton was pretty much his only option.
You make several good points. But in your last paragraph you chose to personally insult me. I don’t mind being insulted. But I must tell you that personal insults always weaken an argument.
So if you were trying to educate me, I truly appreciate it - sometimes I really am wrong. Free Republic is a great place discuss, and learn, new things. But please lay off the personal insults.
On the other hand, if your primary goal was just to belittle me, no hard feelings. Just please refrain from replying to me.
To mass55th:
Thomas Paine never met a Democrat. I wonder what the English-born American would say if he were alive today.
I read a letter of Paine's from 1807 that is on display at the Thomas Paine House in New Rochelle, NY. In this letter, Paine pleads with Vice-President George Clinton to testify on his behalf to a local election board (New Rochelle) that refused to allow Paine to vote, claiming that he was not a citizen.
Paine wrote:
See this link for the full letter that Paine wrote to Vice-President George Clinton, as well as a second letter he wrote the day before, pleading his case. He was a "Forgotten Founder" who burned a lot of bridges later in life, and the "Democrats" of the day in Washington spurned him in his time of need.
"As it is a new generation that has risen up since the declaration of independence, they know nothing of what political state of the country was at the time the pamphlet Common Sense appeared; and besides this there are but few of the old standards left, and none that I know of in this city."
-PJ
That being said, he too often said things that made it easier for the Democrats to turn swing voters against him.
Yeah, sorry about the formatting, I’m not very good at that.
DeSantis is a star in an easy state to be a star.
But he’s shown himself to be bold and smart which should definitely get Trump’s attention as a VP pick.
But before FL let’s DeSantis go, the nation needs him cloned as governor and placed in as many states as possible.
Ditto that!
Then you are too stupid to vote
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