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New Discoveries on Shroud of Turin Directly Contradict 1988 Carbon Dating, Put It Roughly Around Judea Some 2,000 Years Ago
https://www.westernjournal.com/ ^ | June 12, 2022 | Jack Davis

Posted on 06/12/2022 4:46:31 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

New report finds Shroud of Turin dates back to the era of the earthly ministry of Jesus, contradicting 1988 evidence dating cloth as being centuries newer.

New scientific procedures says fabric in the shroud is about 2,000 years old.

The study also analyzed traces of pollen on the shroud.

“The pollen samples gathered are from plants that are native to not just the Middle East, but specifically the area around Judea, Palestine, and Syria within that time period,” said Brian Hyland, curator at Museum of the Bible.

“There’s also pollen from the area around Constantinople. There’s a lot of pollen from Europe,” suggesting the shroud traveled from the Holy Land through [now Turkey and France] to its current home in Italy since the 16th century.

“The only single sample they took did not represent anywhere else on the cloth because it had been manipulated,” said Barrie Schwortz.

Schwortz, who is Jewish, pushed back on claims the shroud was a creation of Leonardo DaVinci.

“The Shroud has been publicly shown 100 years before da Vinci was born. He was a good artist, but he wasn’t that good.”

Schwortz said that until he saw the shroud, he was “biased against it.”

“I even said, somewhere along the line to somebody that, you know, we’ll get to Turin, we’ll give it five minutes, we’ll find the paint, we’ll come home, we’ll be done.”

There is no paint on the cloth, however.

British David Rolfe new film, “Who Can He Be,” said his team produced a 3D image from data from the fabric. “The only way that the image could’ve got on to that cloth is a miraculous one. A miracle that emanated from the body with unbelievable amounts of energy but within an infinitesimally short space of time.”

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To: telescope115; TexasGator

With faulty tests.
Long story behind that I don’t have time to get into now.
Going from memory here, paraphrasing.

Cliff’s notes version:
The area chosen for testing was taken from an area everyone agreed beforehand shouldn’t be used for carbon dating, since it was near a repaired area.

The samples were sent to three labs; the samples were taken in areas of lesser, medium, and greater repair (the repair technique was called “French invisible reweaving” and consisted of gradually blending in replacement threads in greater and greater percentage from the initial area until finally the whole of the replaced cloth was new thread.
The samples were all taken from areas of % percentages of original cloth.

And the results from the three labs gave estimates for the age which varied linearly with the % of new thread; and the estimates given by each lab were outside the error bars of the other labs.

...and one of the scientists at a testing lab came out and said they were finally going to disprove the Shroud, before the testing began.

A later estimate based on the trends in the ages with % new cloth, from the first three labs, suggested an age of 1st century.


61 posted on 06/12/2022 6:18:03 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Alberta's Child

POST OF THE TREAD. Thanks.


62 posted on 06/12/2022 6:18:07 PM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2018 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Just being accurate.


63 posted on 06/12/2022 6:18:25 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: carriage_hill

I never said the Shroud was false.
You must have misunderstood my post, or you’re here to cause fights.

You’ll have to do better than that to get a rise out of me.
:-P


64 posted on 06/12/2022 6:20:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: madison10
Why not? What is your problem with it?

Go read at the link I posted. Then, we can discuss it.

65 posted on 06/12/2022 6:21:01 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Manly Warrior
There is no way to prove it is the very cloth that hat wrapped the body of Christ. That said, it otherwise could be authentic, just not proveable.

The Shroud is a photographic negative.

(You can tell yourself that this isn't evidence of a miraculous event, although I don't think you would convince anyone else.)

66 posted on 06/12/2022 6:21:04 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: faucetman

Did you see the documentary where they took the image on the Shroud and made a 3d model out of it? It was great. I believe it to be authentic just as I would other archeological discoveries.

I do not understand the need for people to say they believe in Jesus regardless of the Shroud. Of course, people have done that for centuries


67 posted on 06/12/2022 6:21:33 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Adder

I agree, an amazing relic


68 posted on 06/12/2022 6:22:29 PM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Countr)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Personally, I believe the Shroud is the genuine burial clothe of my Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ, and I don’t need or trust the “science” to confirm His existence to anchor my faith in Him.

Simply put, you either believe or you don’t. You put your faith in either man/science (i.e.: Fauci, Gates, Soros, Biden, etc al) or you put your faith in God.

I’m gonna stick with God.


69 posted on 06/12/2022 6:24:21 PM PDT by Qui is (First, never apologize to the enemy, and second, never forget that Biden spews and Harris swallows. )
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To: Secret Agent Man

Your reference to “confirmation” is what I addressed.

Can’t confirm the uncertain. One can believe, but that doesn’t make it so in this case.

No offense, just a point.


70 posted on 06/12/2022 6:25:04 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Naw. I have a video that says the opposite. You do you.


71 posted on 06/12/2022 6:26:57 PM PDT by madison10
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

BWAAAAAHAHAHA, the monumental arrogance. You purport to judgmentally speak for Jesus.

I don’t suffer fools that profess their truth as the only truth gladly,


72 posted on 06/12/2022 6:32:03 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: carriage_hill

I don’t either, but I look at the image, and I marvel at His image on it.
It really IS Him!


73 posted on 06/12/2022 6:35:23 PM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree, to me the shroud is some confirmation of what I have experienced, a transformation of my life by Christ. I feel blessed to be aware of the shroud, but my faith is in the risen Christ.


74 posted on 06/12/2022 6:35:59 PM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Countr)
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To: Alberta's Child

XLNT+++


75 posted on 06/12/2022 6:36:12 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: Alberta's Child

XLNT+++


76 posted on 06/12/2022 6:36:16 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: Alberta's Child

XLNT+++


77 posted on 06/12/2022 6:36:21 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: Big Red Badger

A Triple,
Smart Phones.


78 posted on 06/12/2022 6:37:30 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s the Lord’s image. What’s not to get excited about?


79 posted on 06/12/2022 6:37:35 PM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: telescope115

But so what, if it isn’t..

Christ’s image, I meant to say.🙄


80 posted on 06/12/2022 6:42:28 PM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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