Posted on 06/12/2022 8:59:32 AM PDT by Pollard
Graham is the reason I don’t vote straight Republican.
Sorry, the “13 YO” argument isn’t relevant.
There are blanket restrictions on minors across the board which you’re using as justification for regulations that would otherwise apply to adults.
The second amendment is predicated on the idea that "a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state." Thirteen year olds would not have been members of a militia, well-regulated or not.
According to Alexander Hamilton in Federalist #29, militias were intended to be "...an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it..." and "...a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to [standing armies] in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."
Hamilton feared that too much regulation "...would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country..." and that "To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent... because it would not long be endured." That sounds like expectations of adults.
They did not consider children as being qualified for militia duty, and therefore not covered by the original intent of the second amendment.
-PJ
They must pass the bill to see what’s in it. Where have we heard that line before? Hmm? 🤔
The problem is regulation of 2A ( and /or free speech) is an extremely slippery and dangerous slope, especially with the evil leftists in charge of every institution. You are fairly new here,I hope in time the wisdom of the patriots on here will enlighten you more. These people do not have our best interests at heart, they want to chip and chip away until there is nothing left of the constitution, and we are silenced and disarmed. Then they can proceed with the rest of their plans to be rid of us.
I think the distinction needs to be the difference between "purchasing" and "using under adult supervision."
The second amendment speaks to "keep[ing] and bear[ing] arms."
I don't have a problem with children being taught to safely operate weapons, but they were not intended to purchase nor keep them in their own possession. Any suggestion that children ought to be allowed to buy weapons is a separate discussion from whether children can shoot a weapon. I'd argue that the former should not be allowed, and the latter must be done under adult supervision, either by the parent directly or by parental permission from a licensed instructor.
-PJ
Thank you, I appreciate the detailed explanation.
I mostly agree, and have no doubt whatsoever that the people on the left would ban and confiscate all guns immediately if they could.
I disagree a little on the “slippery slope” argument. Even though the left would ban and confiscate immediately if they could, I think there’s still some room for reasonable regulation that can help reduce the chance of crazy people doing mass shootings. We won’t be able to eliminate mass shootings, but I think it’s possible we could reduce them somewhat while still ensuring the non-crazy people can keep and bear arms.
Thanks, I agree. I guess my point was that there is room for at least some gun regulation, like prohibiting children from buying guns, while still upholding Second Amendment rights.
Lots of potential for serious abuse of rights there.
E-mail sent to all, including my own two miscreants.
Yes. If felons cannot be trusted with firearms or pointed sticks, they belong back in prison. I tire of the hoops I have to jump through because some people might commit crimes. Throw away the key or bury them under the prison. I'm tired of seeing people with dozens of felony convictions being sought by police. The police should already know exactly where they are.
On this issue I told a judge I would not convict a felon of violating a law which infringed the right to keep and bear arms. Needless to say, I didn't make the jury. Their loss.
"Anyone being able to purchase fully automatic weapons (which used to be the case in our country)."
Yes. Automatic gun fire is highly over-rated. The M16 I carried could be fired fully automatic. Some years later the military modified infantry rifles to fire three-round bursts.
"Minors, even 5-year olds, being able to purchase firearms."
I don't care what 5-year-olds purchase. I will hold responsible anyone who transfers a firearm to a minor similar to the way I would hold them responsible for letting a minor drive a vehicle.
Recently the anti-gunners have focused on so-called "ghost guns", which is their scary name for home-made guns. Our Founders would be outraged that any court would enforce a law prohibiting the making of such arms.
Should 13-year-olds be allowed to make home-made guns? Should 5-year-olds be allowed to make home-made guns? Yes and Yes. We simply don't need laws in fruitless attempts to solve our nation's problems.
That is exactly how it works where I live. I currently live in NJ, One phone call claiming I am a danger to the chidden for any reason, with no proof of any kind, and all hell breaks loose. It will be 100% up to me to prove otherwise. Let the legal system figure it out later at huge expense and years of my rights lost. Yes, it has happened to people here. I have seen people destroyed by it. I'm leaving for a free state in just under three weeks. I don't need this type of crap becoming nation wide.
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
The Democrats are well on their to destroying the middle class. What’s next? It’s started: Gun Control that will end up with a call to disarm everyone ... except gang bangers ... except illegal aliens .... except criminals ... you know the drill. What’s next: Sieg heil, mein Fuhrer of course.
No, that’s not “exactly” how it works.
Again, not saying these are good things. They aren’t. However, there is more to it than “my wife or neighbor can phone the police that I have guns and they are then immediately taken away.”
That’s simply not how it works anywhere. Even in NJ, a judge has to approve the order, based on an affidavit, filed under the penalty of perjury, that the respondent poses a significant danger of bodily injury to self or others.
As best that I can gather, NJ issues about 300 of these a year.
If you don’t want these to be implemented in the State that you are moving to, then it would be a great idea to formulate coherent reasons as to why they are bad. I can think of several. Presenting a straw man though, probably won’t be effective.
Yes.
As long as he is not a registered Democrat. Those people should not be allowed to possess firearms.
You want "common sense gun control"? If "public safety" was the real goal, you would confiscate firearms from Blacks, Homosexual men, Trans-genders (male-to-female), and Leftists of all varieties, in just about that priority.
Take a closer look at the last 10 years of "mass casualty incidents" and group them by category of the perpetrators. There are some very uncomfortable results from that analysis. TLDR? The Straight White Male is not the biggest threat.
My suggestion is a "modest proposal" which is grotesquely unconstitutional? Yep. Would it be effective? Probably. Would it be in accordance with the "rule-of-law"? Nope. Would it be a good idea? Nope.
"Public Safety" is not the goal of any gun control proposal in the present day. It is simply the best rationale for incremental confiscation of firearms (and any other type of weapon - See the United Kingdom, or Australia for current worked examples).
They want a disarmed population, except for their protected enforcer classes, which population is incapable of resisting the demands of the rulers. The rulers are increasingly sociopathic and self-destructive.
This proceeds to some very bad outcomes. History provides us with many relevant examples.
So only males who have decided a relationship was not worth leading to marriage and thus ended it----with a red faced, vindictive scorned woman vowing revenge after that----need to worry. Thus, life is still good. 😇
Saw that. Hitting us before the mid terms and will continue through 2024. Stick a fork in US, we’re done.
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