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With Plunging Enrollment, a ‘Seismic Hit’ to Public Schools
NYT ^ | 17 May 2022 | Shawn Hubler

Posted on 05/18/2022 7:24:19 AM PDT by Rummyfan

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To: hanamizu

DING! DING! DING!
We have a winner!

Today’s 20-30 year olds are busy “finding themselves” instead of raising children. Most of the ones who are friends with my four daughters (all of whom have kids) are single and ready to mingle...like you said living their life as an over-aged teen!

Heck, half of them still live at home or live with two or three other “older teens”! YOLO is literally their motto!


41 posted on 05/18/2022 9:50:42 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is necessary; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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To: Seaplaner

My uncle taught freshman math at a UC in California. He said students coming in don’t know basic fractions


They don’t know basic fractions likely because they were never forced to memorize their times tables. You really can’t ‘do’ fractions if you don’t have the times tables secure in your brain. You need those tables to figure out lowest common denominator and greatest common factor.

Back when I was going to school, fractions were what you learned in the fifth grade. Your times tables were supposed to be in your head by the end of third grade, with reinforcement in fourth as you learned division.

Today kids use calculators to multiply and divide. They are exposed to fractions as early as the second grade, but at no time are they expected to really master them, simply because they cannot do simple multiplication in their heads. When they try do fractions (add, subtract, multiply and divide) with a calculator, not only do they have no idea of what they are doing, but they have no idea of why.

I have taught 8th-graders who have pulled out their calculators when confronted with 7 x 9. When denied the calculator I’ll see the ones who care enough to try, adding seven nines to get the answer.


42 posted on 05/18/2022 10:11:31 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu
Yet, the education estab can always point to alleged "studies" that show the (cough, cough) superiority of fuzzy math.

Moi?

The times tables that I memorized in the 4th grade have served me well for over 60 years. My only complaint, looking back, is that I could have memorized the trig functions a bit better.

43 posted on 05/18/2022 10:27:15 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston Churchill)
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To: Rummyfan
It would be good to see the abolition of public education. Replace it with a diverse ecostructure of private schools, tutoring, home schooling and on-the-job training.

During the 1700's this country had no public schools and the general public was probably better educated than today's general public. Thomas Paine's Common Sense is difficult reading, yet it "sold over one hundred fifty thousand copies in its first printing (not counting England and Ireland). Eventually over five hundred thousand copies were sold."

"there were estimated to be only 2.5 million people living in the original thirteen colonies in 1776." That means one of every five people bought Common Sense, and undoubtedly more people than that read it.

Today's average high school graduate probably lacks the ability to read it. Here are the first three paragraphs:

PERHAPS the sentiments contained in the following pages are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor. A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.

As a long and violent abuse of power is generally the Means of calling the right of it in question (and in Matters too which might never have been thought of, had not the Sufferers been aggravated into the inquiry), and as the King of England hath undertaken in his own Right to support the Parliament in what he calls Theirs, and as the good people of this country are grievously oppressed by the combination, they have an undoubted privilege to inquire into the pretensions of both, and equally to reject the usurpation of either.

In the following sheets, the author hath studiously avoided everything which is personal among ourselves. Compliments as well as censure to individuals make no part thereof. The wise and the worthy need not the triumph of a pamphlet; and those whose sentiments are injudicious or unfriendly will cease of themselves unless too much pains are bestowed upon their conversion.


44 posted on 05/18/2022 10:31:47 AM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: tomkat

Exactly.

Here’s to 1.2M kids who, today, have a brighter future.


45 posted on 05/18/2022 11:24:14 AM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: Rummyfan

All together, America’s public schools have lost at least 1.2 million students since 2020,


I knew the lethal injections were lethal, but I didn’t have nightmares that it would come to this. Noticing that every single fast-food restaurant in my city is hiring (way fewer 16-24 year-olds in the labor pool), are we going to get an honest accounting of the current population, or are all these non-students going straight to the mail-in ballot list?


46 posted on 05/18/2022 1:08:25 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Demonetize the Left. Buy nothing from them. Sell nothing to them. Shun them.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Same can now be said with homemade formula..... Carnation Milk formula has been around since the 60’s. It is fabulous and I raised my kids on it. I was raised on it but on FB, I was tagged for “spreading inaccurate” information.... Bastards


47 posted on 05/18/2022 5:34:05 PM PDT by southernindymom
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To: hanamizu

Friends


48 posted on 05/18/2022 5:39:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rummyfan

Let private schools and community home schooling lease the abandoned public school buildings.


49 posted on 05/18/2022 11:18:34 PM PDT by Prince Caspian
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To: max americana
In order to weed out these idiots and not waste his time, he jacks up the difficulty in his tests and fails a lot.

I really think that's how the grade-level testing should be. Maybe 20% easy, prior-grade questions. 40% grade-level material. 40% advanced material. Students should be expected to score in the 50-60% range.

But for school in general, yes, they need to actually fail students. Pushing them ahead when they aren't meeting the lower standard doesn't do anyone any good. And if they can't pass a grade in two/three attempts, then move that student to a special education school to determine why they aren't passing, and how to resolve the issue. Letting them move ahead just to get them out/improve "pass rates" hurts the kid, the next teacher, and prevents classmates from advancing as fast as they should.
50 posted on 05/19/2022 11:56:40 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

“Letting them move ahead just to get them out/improve “pass rates” hurts the kid, the next teacher, and prevents classmates from advancing as fast as they should.”

Well said.

One of my neighbors is a Filipino dude with a nice family. He told me his kid in public school, stated that the rest of his classmates esp. the really stupid ones and troublemakers, were given passing grades automatically. They dont even post who got the highest grades the entire time he was there because it is “racist” to embarrass the dumb ones. It was unreal hearing the stories. That boy is now in a charter school.


51 posted on 05/19/2022 1:31:52 PM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2018 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: T Ruth
Your average high school graduate has a vocabulary of 5,000 words.

3,000 is considered the minimum needed to communicate at basic level.

5,000 words, to put it in perspective, is about a third grade reading level.

To read Shakespeare easily you need a vocabulary of 20,000 words. To read him fluently you need a vocabulary of 30,000 words.

52 posted on 05/19/2022 1:42:14 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: Rummyfan

A lot of parents are pulling their kids because of the LGBTQ mafia infecting their local school districts.


53 posted on 05/19/2022 6:37:56 PM PDT by JJBookman (Let there be a tax revolt with people not paying their school taxes, that will wake them right up! )
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To: Rummyfan

Laura Ingraham is going on decrying the damage done to kids and parents by closing the socialist and queer indoctrination centers.

Personally, I don’t see that as a problem. The real problem is; the queer communists continued to get paid, and they continue to rape the taxpayers.


54 posted on 05/21/2022 11:23:25 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Rummyfan

In SW Florida, I get 4-6 offers a week to buy my properties. I never answer the phone for 800 numbers so it could be a whole lot more. There are 9 new houses within a 3 minute walk from my home.

It’s a good thing I bought all of the adjoining properties before the current boom. Now, nobody can build within 500 feet of my house.


55 posted on 05/21/2022 11:29:53 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: hanamizu

Just fail them. When students get to university level course work, fail them with prejudice. No remedial education, no breaks. Tell them to go to their CC for 2 years, then come back.


56 posted on 08/03/2022 7:13:07 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Rummyfan

Taxpayers need to audit their districts.

Ghost students are a thing.


57 posted on 08/03/2022 7:13:46 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

That is very true - my county had 4% homeschool rate even before the pandemic. The result is all sorts of hybrid schools, co-ops, labs, and sports programs. The sports program my sons played in had over 2,000 kids involved with football, baseball, soccer, swimming, cheerleading, volleyball, equestrian, lacrosse, even bass fishing, and they competed in a private school league. They also had homecoming, dances, etc. My boys didn’t miss a thing offered by the public schools, other than indoctrination.


58 posted on 08/03/2022 7:22:00 AM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: Rummyfan
are now considering combining classrooms, laying off teachers or shutting down entire schools.

Laying off teachers? LOL that's a good one. School reform is long overdue. I've been an active proponent since the early 1990's and very little has been accomplished other than some break off home schooling. Politicians and administrations (Betsy DeVos) have done basically nothing to help. Like election integrity, abortion etc this is a states issue and for too long states have done almost nothing and the Federal level has lent little support. Until Covid, the parents have finally taken notice to the horrendous curriculum and the iron fist rule of the teachers unions. So let it me, a grass roots uprising, which hopefully will continue to gain traction. The cowardly pols are only now standing up because it's a way to get votes. So be it, I hope that finally we gain some traction and some true reforms, but we'll see. More pols need to get on the train.

59 posted on 08/03/2022 7:29:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Rummyfan
This is from Upstate NY...

"Stop speaking up." Syracuse school teacher says district culture is hurting staff numbers

The article's a hoot. A pity party for woke teachers.

But what's really interesting is that nobody is asking why, with enrollments that have been declining for decades, Syracuse needs more teachers...

Note to taxpayers in that neck of the woods: I'm betting your district is in dire need of an audit. Take a look at where the bulk of your budget is going. And look for ghost students. I think you'll find plenty if you do.

Band together. Dont out up with their crap.

Your kids are paying for your lack of attention.

60 posted on 08/06/2022 4:52:52 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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