Posted on 05/09/2022 11:21:23 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
Biden signs a bill to provide enhanced authority to enter into agreements with the government of Ukraine.
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Elections have consequences ...
Pure Trash. We are giving tens of billions to the one of the most corrupt nations on earth. And what do we get in return? More bribery of half of DC? More interfering in our elections? More spies like Vindman in the White House?
Yeh. It would be nice if we had Trump back. We don’t. And the proxy war won’t wait. There’s Putin. He’s not deterred. Foe Brandon is it. At least he had the sense to do “Lend-lease,” rather than just giving. The domestic problems are not going away, and neither is Putin. Actually, there’s a silver lining. Brandon will not be able to use all the domestic problems to empower Washington even further, so long as he has to contend with Putin, on whom at least he has a consensus in Congress. Having his domestic power grabs voted down is humiliating, so here he has a win which he can hope will translate into good news for him in the mid-terms. Unlikely. But he’ll grasp at anything.
“The word bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.”
George Carlin
That 100 to 0 vote is a reflection of the climate of coercion and fear in DC, and the amount of kickbacks to be distributed.
I’m sorry. You didn’t know this was Eastern Europe? Oligarchs and corruption there is as much a part of the environment as oxygen and Strontium 90. Sorry to offend your virgin ears. But there’s this invasion going on, and it can escalate into Armageddon or not, depending on what is done about it. You get in return, not having a world war. What happens from there is not as important as no world war.
Catherine the Great’s idiot husband?
Demented Joe doesn’t need much money to crash the border, or sic one of his many wings of praetorian guard on innocent citizens. This group of nihilists are dangerous; there is no up or down, heaven or hell, yesterday or tomorrow. They believe in the here and now, and their behavior is dangerous. Best we don’t give them a green light to dabble in war, proxy or otherwise.
“Well, then, why didn’t the US get into war with Russia over Afghanistan,”
yeah, we saw the precedent that happened with out building and supplying the muhajadeen. It blew up in our face on 9/11. Our intervention in Somalia wound up filling Minnesota with the skinnies form Blackhawk Down.
The war in El Salvador gave us MS-13 and the cocaine crack wars.
Play with a turd, get crap on your fingers. And this Ukraine is the biggest steaming log the world has ever seen.
I didn’t realize that he could still sign his name? Or does he just make an X mark
No worries. Ukraines got this
“It’s just a matter of time before an American is attacked.”
Things and facilities are most likely to be attacked or threatened.
— you mean things like food processing centers, etc?
The oligarchs have top level former Russian government agents on their payrolls. What these former agents can and might do I will leave to your imagination. ...
... you mean like stroll across an unguarded southern border carrying who-knows-what?.
A stack of rubles will get one of these agents anything in the Russian weapons inventory.
... you mean like a suitcase nuke with a middle-east signature as revenge for a yacht that was stolen in the name of ‘sanctions’?
Good thing I’m an optimist, huh?
No kidding. By then Hitler believed FDR wo UO ld findxsome way to enter the European war and he was under pressure from Raeder and Doenitz to do something about America’s supply lune to UK. Operation Drumbeat in Jan 42 gave evidence that the German admirals were correct in n.v their tactical thinking.
After Pearl Harbor, all it would have taken was one more sinking, like the Reuben James, and we would have declared War on Germany, which pretty much meant before the end of the month of December, 1941.
“yeah, we saw the precedent that happened with out building and supplying the muhajadeen. It blew up in our face on 9/11.”
But no war with Russia. When Russia supplied Vietnam, this did not cause a war with Russia, either. So you are mistaken when you assert that supplying Ukraine would cause a war with Russia, because there is no precedent for that.
As for what happens after the close of a proxy war, that’s an entirely different matter.
Play with a turd, get crap on your fingers.
It’s not a game. The point of any involvement in Ukraine is not because Ukraine is a bastion of democracy. It’s not. But to divert Russia from starting WW III in the mistaken but understandable belief that the West is wussy and she can take whatever he wants and rebuild CatherPutin’s empire to its former greatness. As for the crap that will get on one’s fingers by averting WW III, it won’t be the first time. Whatever the fallout, it is preferable to nuclear fallout.
“And this Ukraine is the biggest steaming log the world has ever seen.”
Now that’s pure hyperbole. Ukraine is developing into something better than it once was. The Ukrainian people dumped Poroshenko, the rotten crook and inciter of sectarian violence, in favor of Zelensky, an alleged reformer because he was alleged to be a reformer. Ukrainian society didn’t suddenly change from an ugly frog into a handsome prince with that election. The oligarchy still has a strangle-hold on everything. Corruption is still as systemic as white on rice. The civil war in Dumbass and Dumbyutz is still ongoing. Russia still occupies Crimea. Ukrainian society still has as many issues as an abused child in its teens.
But as JS Mills says in his essay Thoughts on Representative Government, a democracy must take a society as it finds it, and from there improve on it over time. It is a hopeful process, one that the United States is still in the throes of, but is farther along than Ukraine. A “steaming log,” Ukraine is not, and certainly not the worst in the world. It’s moving forward in a backwards part of the world, while fighting off a homicidal maniac.
However, even if it were as bad as you say, the object of American involvement with supplying Ukraine is to contain Russia. The other half of the equation, producing energy for Europe so they don’t need to go to Russia for it, America is abjectly failing at, so the war rages on. That’s Brandon’s fault, though, not Zelensky’s, who, however good he might or might not be at reforming Ukraine, at least happened to have enough courage to be an effective war leader.
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.
The Soviet Union supplied weapons to North Vietnam.
Russia today is not the same as the old Soviet Union.
If you want to say that we should be giving weapons to Ukraine because of precedent, then we should also be giving weapons to Russia.
No choice. The war is ongoing, and the reality that will come from it going on unchecked will be WW III. Sorry that all there is is Brandon and his merry band of idiots, but that’s all there is, and here’s a global crisis that he helped create, and doesn’t know how to interrupt, so at least he has to supply Ukraine to keep it contained. Because otherwise it will boil over.
Russia today is not the same as the old Soviet Union.
No, it’s worse, because if Russia is not contained, China will also invade Taiwan.
If you want to say that we should be giving weapons to Ukraine because of precedent,
Are you deliberately misunderstanding everything? We must be giving weapons to Ukraine to contain Russia—not because of precedent!—but to stop Russia from invading other countries and starting in with NAtO. And China from invading Taiwan.
“then we should also be giving weapons to Russia.”
I couldn’t make that up. He really said that. Russia has weapons and is using them to invade Ukraine. That’s the problem.
Go to Ukraine.
Go to the front lines.
Move out and draw fire.
That’s how you can really help Ukraine.
You make absolutely no sense, but do carry on. In our new blind leading the blind version of America, you have lots of company.
Biden is a Sock Monkey.
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