Posted on 05/07/2022 8:43:01 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
The solicitation to commit treason came to Oleksandr Vilkul on the second day of the war, in a phone call from an old colleague.
Mr. Vilkul, the scion of a powerful political family in southeastern Ukraine that was long seen as harboring pro-Russian views, took the call as Russian troops were advancing to within a few miles of his hometown, Kryvyi Rih.
“He said, ‘Oleksandr Yurivich, you are looking at the map, you see the situation is predetermined,’” Mr. Vilkul said, recalling the conversation with a fellow minister in a former, pro-Russian Ukrainian government.
“Sign an agreement of friendship, cooperation and defense with Russia and they will have good relations with you,” the former colleague said. “You will be a big person in the new Ukraine.”
The offer failed spectacularly. Once war had begun, Mr. Vilkul said, the gray area seeped out of Ukrainian politics for him. Missiles striking his hometown made the choice obvious: He would fight back.
“I responded with profanity,” Mr. Vilkul said in an interview.
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Well put!
What the war originally was is a moot point. It’s now a “total war,” involving many of the world’s great powers.
***Kind of like the war of 1812, which ended up “status quo ante bellum”. The natural delineation point for status quo would be ante Budapest, which was the 1994 Budapest Accession to the [ratified] United Nations Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and has signed assurances of Ukrainian borders/sovereignty by Russia, Ukraine, USA, Ireland, and Britain.
That's what American Democrats do! Globalists = International Democrats
Frack deeper.
You seem to have completely forgotten that in 2012 oil & gas reserves were being explored by Exxon and western oil companies. This war is about oil & gas reserves. The last time we had an oppressive regime invade their neighbor over oil & gas, an international coalition kicked his ass back to Iraq.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
also:
Why Russia wants to invade Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The Russians weren’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.
In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.
But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.
This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc
If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.
Traitors tend to get shot in time of war. Good thing you’re careful not to criticize Comrade Putin or we might not hear from you again.
“Traitors tend to get shot in time of war.”
Traitors should be shot. How about telling us how people trying to get food and medicine to civilians makes one a traitor?
I guess you missed Russia’s UN ambassador yesterday clearly and repeatedly recognizing Ukrainian sovereignty and independence.
If Russia does not say this is a civil war then why are you saying that?
If you live in the US and war starts with Russia I’d advise making plans for the FBI to invite you to stay with them for a while.
Isn’t that what usually happens with traitors in wartime?
“If you live in the US and war starts with Russia I’d advise making plans for the FBI to invite you to stay with them for a while.”
Sounds like a threat.
Do you believe I work for the FBI? LOL.
“Isn’t that what usually happens with traitors in wartime?”
Depends on the definition of traitor - doing what Ukraine-supporter Soros did in WW2 and helping the Nazis find Jews is clearly being a traitor. Asking the Russians for some food and water for the elderly doesn’t quite reach that, at least in my book.
You forgot the people who are controlling Biden.....
“Do you believe I work for the FBI? LOL.”
I don’t know what you know about me, but I recommend not issuing THREATS against people you disagree with, at least on this site.
Precisely
It’s merely advice.
Now ask yourself why this should bother you.
“It’s merely advice.”
Calling a theat ‘advice’ is cute.
“Except that that was a civil war, while this is a war between two sovereign nations.”
For the purpose of this post, I’ll stipulate what you have written is true.
Does your distinction support or repudiate the principles in the Declaration of Independence?
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