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Russia’s Grave Miscalculation: Ukrainians Would Collaborate
NYT ^ | 5/7/22 | Andrew E. Kramer

Posted on 05/07/2022 8:43:01 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot

The solicitation to commit treason came to Oleksandr Vilkul on the second day of the war, in a phone call from an old colleague.

Mr. Vilkul, the scion of a powerful political family in southeastern Ukraine that was long seen as harboring pro-Russian views, took the call as Russian troops were advancing to within a few miles of his hometown, Kryvyi Rih.

“He said, ‘Oleksandr Yurivich, you are looking at the map, you see the situation is predetermined,’” Mr. Vilkul said, recalling the conversation with a fellow minister in a former, pro-Russian Ukrainian government.

“Sign an agreement of friendship, cooperation and defense with Russia and they will have good relations with you,” the former colleague said. “You will be a big person in the new Ukraine.”

The offer failed spectacularly. Once war had begun, Mr. Vilkul said, the gray area seeped out of Ukrainian politics for him. Missiles striking his hometown made the choice obvious: He would fight back.

“I responded with profanity,” Mr. Vilkul said in an interview.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: andrewekramer; chechens; chechnya; deathtoputin; deathtorussia; oleksandryurivich; propaganda; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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To: lump in the melting pot

Some Ukrainians did try to work with their Russian occupiers to help the people in their communities.

They were shot per Zelinsky’s orders.


2 posted on 05/07/2022 8:47:40 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: BobL

Some countries need to be run by the ruthless. Think Russia, Saddam, Khadafy. Traiitors should be shot.


3 posted on 05/07/2022 8:50:10 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: lump in the melting pot
Russia’s Grave Miscalculation: Ukrainians Would Collaborate

Some are ethnic Russian, so they must all be willing to die, so that Ukraine can become Little Russia. /s

4 posted on 05/07/2022 8:50:21 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: BobL

The “law of interim period” for Donbas designated firefighters and school teachers as collaborators. I think local “Americafirsters”” don’t care much.


5 posted on 05/07/2022 8:50:46 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: lump in the melting pot
“Once war had begun, Mr. Vilkul said, the gray area seeped out of Ukrainian politics for him. Missiles striking his hometown made the choice obvious: He would fight back.”

Reminds me of what happened in Virginia after Lincoln launched his special military operation.

6 posted on 05/07/2022 8:52:47 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: NorseViking

“The “law of interim period” for Donbas designated firefighters and school teachers as collaborators. I think local “Americafirsters”” don’t care much.”

Actually, most America Firsters prefer to avoid WW3. It’s the Neocons who are hell-bent on starting that war.


7 posted on 05/07/2022 8:53:16 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: NorseViking
The “law of interim period” for Donbas designated firefighters and school teachers as collaborators. I think local “Americafirsters”” don’t care much.

Right, and historically what did the Russians do to collaborators?

8 posted on 05/07/2022 8:53:17 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: lump in the melting pot

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4061161/posts

https://rairfoundation.com/globalists-enraged-putin-disrupts-their-plans-for-a-new-world-order-video/


9 posted on 05/07/2022 8:53:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Your bat-excrement crazy mental illness does not impose an obligation upon me to deny reality.)
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To: BobL

Probably not true, but would be great if it was. Wartime Traders and collaborants deserve to go up against the wall.


10 posted on 05/07/2022 8:54:50 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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To: lump in the melting pot

The rule of shooting trainers should be applied to these United States, starting at the top.


11 posted on 05/07/2022 8:55:10 AM PDT by exnavy (we are not a democracy.)
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To: exnavy

Traitors.


12 posted on 05/07/2022 8:55:36 AM PDT by exnavy (we are not a democracy.)
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To: BobL

I used the term sarcastically, of course.


13 posted on 05/07/2022 8:55:55 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: tlozo

Your definition of collaborator is too vague. Why don’t kill everyone who dared to survive “occupation” while you are at it? That’s probably in line with your “European values”.


14 posted on 05/07/2022 8:57:26 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: lump in the melting pot

*traitors


15 posted on 05/07/2022 8:57:51 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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To: BobL
They were shot per Zelinsky’s orders.

Bull.

16 posted on 05/07/2022 8:59:25 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: lump in the melting pot
Wartime Traders traitors and collaborants collaborators deserve to go up against the wall.

Agree!

Regards,

17 posted on 05/07/2022 9:06:14 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: lump in the melting pot
“We are part of something bright,” he said of Ukraine. “It is here, with us, in our group. And they have nothing to offer.”

This. I was in Poland in the early 90s, and have spent a lot of time there since and was in Ukraine in 2016. Most Americans cannot imagine the cultural pull Europe and the US have on these people. Whatever our problems are (and they are significant), integration with the West means the possibility of freedom and a "normal" life, whereas being a part of Russia is a simply a return to a gangster state.

18 posted on 05/07/2022 9:06:52 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: jeffersondem
Reminds me of what happened in Virginia after Lincoln launched his special military operation.

Except that that was a civil war, while this is a war between two sovereign nations.

Regards,

19 posted on 05/07/2022 9:07:35 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Of course. deep state and the globalistsdid not like the Russians shutting down human trafficking, the secret US bolas, and the epicenter of world wide money-laundering.


20 posted on 05/07/2022 9:09:18 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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