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Intelligence provided by the U.S. helped Ukrainians sink Russian ship Moskva
CBS ^ | May 5, 2022 | Eleanor Watson, David Martin

Posted on 05/05/2022 7:48:39 PM PDT by Doofer

Intelligence provided by the U.S. helped the Ukrainians sink the Russian Moskva in April, according to a senior defense official. The U.S. shared the location of the Moskva in the Black Sea with the Ukrainians but had no role in the decision to strike it, the official said.

Without providing specifics, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told reporters Thursday that the U.S. has been providing Ukraine useful battlefield intelligence throughout the war as Ukraine defends itself – but Kirby said the Pentagon does not provide intelligence on the location of senior military leaders on the battlefield or participate in the targeting decisions of the Ukrainian military.

"Ukraine combines information that we and other partners provide with the intelligence that they themselves are gathering on the battlefield, and then they make their own decisions and take their own actions," Kirby said. FILE PHOTO: A Russian missile cruiser "Moskva" is anchored near Mumbai The Russian guided missile cruiser "Moskva," flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, is seen anchored near Mumbai, India in a May 21, 2003 file photo. Roy Madhur/REUTERS

Ukrainian forces struck the Moskva with two Neptune anti-ship missiles. The strike caused a large fire and the eventual sinking of the ship on April 14.

Kirby said in April that the cruiser was about 600 feet long and had a crew of roughly 500 sailors. The Pentagon assessed that at least some of the crewmembers evacuated to other Russian naval ships but it's unclear how many Russians suffered casualties.

The sinking of the Moskva was another embarrassment for Russian forces, who have shown an inability so far to reach their goals in the war in Ukraine. More than 70 days into the invasion, the Russian progress is still described by the Pentagon as slow, incremental, and uneven.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 1moretime; moskva; putlims; ukraine
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1 posted on 05/05/2022 7:48:39 PM PDT by Doofer
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2 posted on 05/05/2022 7:54:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: Doofer

once the leak about us running (or helping) air defences from day 1 came out, it became likely we would end up claiming credit for everything we had done one way or another. at the time, this included the moskva and the targets hit in russia. the generals was added too.

now just need confirm on US assistance on targets in russia.

for those confused by this, the administration wants to start world war 3. it will solve their midterm problem if they make it bad enough. history is full of cases of a regime/government starting a foreign war to fix otherwise certain ruin domestically.

sometimes the risk pays off for the rulers, sometimes not.


3 posted on 05/05/2022 7:55:43 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Doofer

I hope everyone involved it slapping each others backs and pounding their chest continue to do so if that day comes Russian nukes are heading this way, kkthx. Dumb mofos.


4 posted on 05/05/2022 7:56:14 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Doofer

The elites have come to see the gains that can be effected with mutually assured destruction.


5 posted on 05/05/2022 7:58:10 PM PDT by Born in 1950 (Anti left, nothing else.)
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To: cranked

World War IV will start the Great Reset the Globalists want


6 posted on 05/05/2022 7:58:57 PM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: Doofer

Remember when Democrats freaked out with the (false) claim against Trump, that Russia was putting bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan?


7 posted on 05/05/2022 8:01:06 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Doofer

This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia.

This is a war between the Democrats and Russia and the goal is regime change in RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA because they still pretend despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary that RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA stole the 2016 election from them.


8 posted on 05/05/2022 8:02:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Your bat-excrement crazy mental illness does not impose an obligation upon me to deny reality.)
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To: Doofer
Putin is a smart man. Didn't he realize Ukraine is a great place for corrupt kickbacks to the west? That war with
Ukraine would boost the amount of kickback opportunities exponentially? Lots of Russians will die needlessly because of this oversight.
9 posted on 05/05/2022 8:05:14 PM PDT by Nateman (Xi Jinping is the most diabolical enemy Americans has ever had. 🍊)
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To: Doofer

That Global Hawk was up to no good.

Still no evidence of a missile attack.


10 posted on 05/05/2022 8:07:30 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: cranked

do you not see it?

nuclear war may well be their goal.

they will never have to leave power if that happens.

you think this is unrealistic? history is full of scenarios where rulers were quite happy to ruin their domain in order to save themselves and their power.


11 posted on 05/05/2022 8:08:22 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: logi_cal869

the only thing that would surprise me is if Ukraine had any part in sinking that ship. I never believed it. I don’t think they have much of anything left. We are their military in all but bodies for the front (maybe some there too).

Russia knows it, of course. They don’t recognize it because that would compel a response. They don’t actually want to start a war that can only end with their destruction, but the US sure as hell does.


12 posted on 05/05/2022 8:10:40 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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you think this is unrealistic? history is full of scenarios where rulers were quite happy to ruin their domain in order to save themselves and their power.

I don’t think the rats πŸ€ give a rats πŸ€ rear end if the country becomes a nuclear wasteland, as long as they stay in power. They are evil.

13 posted on 05/05/2022 8:13:53 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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ALL THIS BACK SLAPPING do they think Russia can’t hit back in some way? Maybe sink a few of our ships in the gulf or North Sea. “A little accident.” Russia isn’t Iran or Iraq. They will use what they know about us to make us feel pain. My bet—an attack on the Grid. Turn out the lights and everything stops.


14 posted on 05/05/2022 8:16:30 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I said in 2016 they would start World War IV with Russia over Hillary losing.

This bragging in the media is beyond stupid.

Intelligence operations should never be publicized.


15 posted on 05/05/2022 8:17:36 PM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJesusChrist.Com/)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Or attack the Colonial Pipeline. The East Coast will come to a halt because no one will be able to get gas.


16 posted on 05/05/2022 8:18:39 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: SaveFerris

They’ve been completely exposed. They see no point in hiding anything anymore.


17 posted on 05/05/2022 8:20:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Your bat-excrement crazy mental illness does not impose an obligation upon me to deny reality.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

russia knows they are being used to distract from domestic issues brewing in the US. they know the US is going to keep pushing until they are in an impossible position.

the question is when they are finally forced to act, what will they do?

the administration is counting on this to help fix this election problem in november. we will be under emergency conditions and things will never, ever normalize. and a de facto pogrom can be implemented under the guise of russian whatever.


18 posted on 05/05/2022 8:20:26 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Doofer

WWIII


19 posted on 05/05/2022 8:21:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: WoofDog123

Definitely a good way to depopulate and then bring those left under their complete control, yeah?


20 posted on 05/05/2022 8:21:43 PM PDT by cranked
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