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Ukraine is still losing so what is the plan
Moon of Alabama ^ | 20 Apr 22 | Moon of Alabama

Posted on 04/26/2022 7:09:08 PM PDT by delta7

Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender. However the Zelensky government ordered them to stay and to continue to bind Russian forces which otherwise could be used elsewhere: Russia had given the Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol until Sunday morning to lay down their weapons or be “eliminated.” On Sunday, the forces at the plant ignored the deadline, and Ukrainian officials vowed that they would not surrender. In response, the Russian assault intensified, with missiles and bombs hitting the city and new attacks occurring near the plant, according to the Ukrainian military. ... Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that the struggle was not over for Mariupol, which for two months has tied up Russian troops and resources that are badly needed elsewhere. The Azovstal complex is a 2 by 2 miles industrial area. It can be surrounded and controlled by a relatively small force. Those within the area no longer have heavy artillery ammunition and presumably little other supplies. The Russian forces can see and bomb anything that moves on the open ground and can otherwise sit back and wait their enemies out.

I do not believe that holding on to Azovstal will significantly delay the upcoming second phase of the Russian operation which will surround and destroy the Ukrainian army on the Donbas front.

The Russian military has two huge advantage over the Ukrainian forces in the east. One is of course its air superiority. The other is the unimpeded supply line which allows it to get as much heavy artillery ammunition, fuel and food to its forces as it needs.

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.

Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

On April 16 Russia shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was bringing 'western' weapons to Odessa. Today it destroyed another ammunition depot near Lviv were 'western' weapons are crossing the border into Ukraine. Some bits of fuel allegedly still reach the Ukraine through trains from Moldova. But that is far from enough.

Here is a week old report on the fuel situation: Since the beginning of the war, the number of gas stations in Ukraine has decreased three times, and private fuel consumption has decreased by about the same amount, said Sergey Kuyun, director of the A-95 consulting group.

“According to our estimates, a third of the total number of gas stations is operating, this is about 2.5 thousand stations, before the war there were 7.5 thousand. Of course, the main reason is the lack of fuel. Consumption has also decreased three times compared to the pre-war level,” he said at a closed briefing at the Media Center in Lviv on Monday.

At the same time, Kuyun noted that traders or network owners are forced to provide their most strategic and powerful facilities, located mainly in regional centers or on main routes, while peripheral stations are forced to stand idle, although there are also a lot of consumers there.

According to him, the shortage of fuel became especially aggravated after the shutdown of the Kremenchug Oil Refinery as a result of a missile attack by Russian invaders. ... On April 2, the Russian invaders destroyed the infrastructure of the Kremenchug oil refinery with their shelling, and it stopped working. The damage done daily to the Ukrainian military and military industry is huge. One can get a sense of it when one reads through the briefings of the Russian defense ministry. From today's morning brief (here in full as some have difficulties accessing the site): The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.

Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.

Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.

Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.

Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.

18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.

Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.

11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.

In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. This has now been going on daily for more than a month. While the precision of the above numbers is somewhat uncertain I do not think that they are exaggerated by much. Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the US has in total promised to send.

That means that the military destruction and defeat of the Ukrainian forces in the country's east is all but assured.

What then is the strategy that government in Kiev and its overlords in Washington DC are following? Why has the Ukraine not given up? Why didn't it continue to negotiate with the Russian side?

Is their hope that their daily over the top 'Russia is losing' propaganda will create enough political momentum for a large scale NATO intervention?

That would end in a disaster for the NATO forces.

Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed: Three brigades, or a total of 36 Iskander launchers (two missiles each plus two resupply missiles per launcher) were deployed to Belarus as part of the buildup to war in Ukraine. Two additional brigades (12 launchers) were also assigned to Russia's Southern Military District and moved forward in the area of Belgorod near the Russian border; and to the area of Krasnodar, south of Ukraine. Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back.

On March 24 the Pentagon claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions. However, if the Russian defense ministry report is correct, at least 16 precision air ground missiles and 7 Iskander were used just yesterday. To me that does not sound like 'limited supplies'.

Other issues:

Since Saturday Gonzalo Lira, who has been reported from Kharkov, is no longer reachable. He seems to have been captured or killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU. Sadly I had expected that. Doing hours of Youtube live streams when your enemy controls the internet in your area is not very smart.

A picture of the damaged Russian cruiser Moscwa was published today.

The Russian cruiser was damaged last week and sunk. The ship is listing and so it must have additional damage below its waterline. The picture shows fire midships on its port side where two of its close-in weapons systems and their ammunition storages are. The ships crane is deployed right above that area. The large anti-ship missiles towards the bow and the S-300 air defense launchers behind the deckhouse seem intact. The port side life rafts are no longer where they were and must have been launched. That means that a significant part of the crew likely got off the ship alive before it sank.

The picture does not tell us what has happened. Was this an accidental ammunition explosion as Russia had first claimed or was the ship hit by Ukrainian (or British?) anti-ship missiles as the Ukraine is claiming? We will have to wait for further reports to know that.


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To: tlozo

No, half of the US howitzers are already in Ukraine.
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Sources? Careful, there is no proof, the give away being the massive ammo supply equipment and support required for 155mm , heavy movers, 5 ton vehicles, maintenance trucks,….that said, the Ukies have only ever used Russian artillery.
How many have been trained on on US equipment? ..even our US Redleg AIT training is 3-4 months long.
That said, how many English speaking Ukie cannon cockers are there? There is a huge language curve as Soviet equipment is in Cyrillic….big, big problems encountered with arty range tables, fuze setting, etc…..your “ theory” highly unlikely.

I will “ bite” on your theory when we see US arty( captured) being paraded in Red Square.


101 posted on 04/28/2022 3:38:26 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
Sources? Careful, there is no proof

"More than half of the 90 US howitzers bound for Ukraine now delivered"

Ukrainian troops now have more than half of the 90 howitzers that the U.S. pledged them to help beat back a Russian attack in the country’s eastern region, chief Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday.

https://www.stripes.com/incoming/2022-04-27/ukraine-russia-war-howitzers-training-nato-5821871.html

Marine Corps M777 towed 155 mm howitzers are staged on the flight line prior to being loaded onto an Air Force C-17 Globemaster III aircraft at March Air Reserve Base, Calif., on April 22, 2022.


102 posted on 04/28/2022 4:10:06 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: delta7
That said, how many English speaking Ukie cannon cockers are there?

While they are a different caliber than Ukraine’s Soviet-era 152mm Msta-B howitzers, they share the same “basic outlines,” a senior U.S. defense official said last week.

Still, Ukrainian troops require some training to use the weapons, which the U.S. is providing at an undisclosed location outside Ukraine, Kirby said. Ukrainian troops who complete the training are expected to train to other troops when they return to the fight.

“We finished up earlier this week the first tranche of more than 50 trainers that are going to go in and train their teammates,” Kirby said. “We're working on a second tranche of … more than 50 that [are] going to go through training in the same location outside Ukraine.”

The training has gone well so far, according to Ukraine Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov, who said in a translated statement Wednesday that Ukrainian gunners working with a 155mm howitzer “hit the target with the first shot.”

https://www.stripes.com/incoming/2022-04-27/ukraine-russia-war-howitzers-training-nato-5821871.html

103 posted on 04/28/2022 4:12:56 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: tlozo

A shame, another Biden Afghanistan blunder, leaves us short. I expect to see some of these towed 155mm being paraded in Red Square or like Kadyrov thanking the senile old man for the gifts. Many of our Javelins were captured by Kadyrov and Russian paratroopers near Mariupol.


104 posted on 04/28/2022 4:23:30 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

https://www.rt.com/news/463026-libya-american-javelin-missiles/

Hope they aren’t coming “ home”, like Libya.


105 posted on 04/28/2022 4:35:44 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It seems to me, that you have not thought things out. XiJinBiden, or rather his handlers are not absolutely stupid. They DO remember old videos of Vietnam and the protests. (They are too young to ACTUALLY remember it.) They are NOT going to get into a war ASAP. Their war, if it happens, will happen after the jury rigged mid-terms where Demonrats retain both houses, or at least govern with the support of several RINOS. Besides, Bill-zebub Gates’ murder shots have not yet fully taken effect. They may not because the human body IS resilient.

They will do everything short of war, trying to take Russia into the WEF sphere, sacrificing as many Ukrainians as necessary, to do it. IF the Russians DO launch a nuclear strike in return, that just means that the population and POWER TO RESIST the WEF, is reduced in the West AND Russia. They, the WEF, will then exit their nuclear bunkers, to offer ‘peace’ and ‘food’, in return for surrendering your freedom and what little assets you have. “You will own nothing and be happy!” (or else!)

It is all about a power grab by the elites, seeking to do it ‘peacefully’ if possible, but not neccessarily.


106 posted on 05/02/2022 12:23:18 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: delta7

Russia has lost the war, they lost it when they couldn’t take Kyiv.

This is no scenario that Russia wins this war, only how they are going to lose.


107 posted on 05/02/2022 12:25:18 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: BenLurkin

You are far more optimistic as to the fat lady’s promptness than I am. I fear this thing will drag on for years. Hope I’m wrong though.


108 posted on 05/05/2022 11:34:06 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: PGR88
The Ukraine plan is to, by any means possible, drag Western Europe, NATO and Uncle Sugar into the fray.

We're already in the fray, we need to get out.

109 posted on 05/05/2022 11:37:56 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: delta7

Can it be only six weeks ago that some here were ready for Putin to throw in the towel and take his loss?

To me, it looks like he got his trillion dollar armed robbery pulled off and even thinned out his top heavy military in the process. Never under estimate the brutality of a KGB mastermind.


110 posted on 06/13/2022 7:36:20 PM PDT by anton
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To: anton

Never under estimate the brutality of a KGB mastermind.
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Nor the stupidity of a senile old man who tricked the entire western world into supporting his war and suicide sanctions.


111 posted on 06/13/2022 8:02:59 PM PDT by delta7
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