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Americans Agree: Most Say ‘Worst’ of the Pandemic Is ‘Behind Us’
Breitbart ^ | 04/16/2022 | Hannah Bleau

Posted on 04/16/2022 6:42:21 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Most Americans are in agreement that the “worst” of the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “behind us,” a YouGov/TheEconomist survey found.

The survey asked respondents to indicate where they believe the world is in terms of the pandemic.

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KEYWORDS: americans; behind; chat; chatforum; covid1984; pandemic; usebetterkeywords; worst
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To: gas_dr

No, it absolutely is not a matter of anything other than how many corpses accumulate. How could it be otherwise? Ask the adult children of the parent who dies if they care if that death was from fewer cases.

Cases and hospitalizations have agenda. Dead is dead.


21 posted on 04/16/2022 7:43:09 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

99 percent of the population wasn’t seriously affected.

Fake pandemic......


22 posted on 04/16/2022 7:46:33 PM PDT by blackberry1
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To: Owen

You are incorrect using emotional argument in a scientific debate. There is not room for that. Clearly whatever it is that causes death, the family is traumatized by. So much, so obvious. But the emotion does not help us to discern what is actually occurring.

You are stating there is a surge. The real question is how dangerous is it. As we analyze things like incidence and prevalence of endpoints, we can clearly discern that the virus continues to evolve to more contagious but less deadly. The numbers you bring up are numbers in a vacuum. Delta had a 1.5 - 2% mortality rate. Omicron is significantly less than 1/10 of 1%. Ergo the number of deaths as a function of number of cases is in fact lower, not higher as you propose using a pure endpoint count — in your argument the endpoint being death.

This does not allow for discernment of what is occurring. The context of data is what leads to defining what is true and what is not. What is true is that omicron is unequivocally less generous than delta, and confirms the theory of pandemic evolution — that variants tend toward less dangerous but more contagious than the original disease.


23 posted on 04/16/2022 7:48:25 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Americans Agree: Most Say ‘Worst’ of the Political scam is Behind Us’


24 posted on 04/16/2022 7:49:45 PM PDT by TygertLane
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To: gas_dr

This is what I posted on another internet discussion format on February 27, 2020.

Note the date.

“I am of sufficient vintage to remember the “AIDS epidemic”; as well as SARS, Ebola, and various and sundry swine flues.

With every new pestilence there are two epidemics; the virus itself and the epidemic of fear.

It is the latter which is the more destructive.

Most viruses are easily defeated with a very weak (1:100) Clorox solution.

Fear is not so easily contained. Fear has already deprived Christians in Hong Kong of the rites associated with the beginning of Western (and soon) Orthodox Lent.

Fear may lead to government enforced deprivation of Holy Week and Pascha on many continents.

That is what I fear the most.”

And that came to pass for TWO consecutive Paschas!


25 posted on 04/16/2022 7:59:18 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: gas_dr

Thanks Doc, your brilliant, professional insight is very much appreciated.


26 posted on 04/16/2022 8:02:43 PM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Owen
It does not seem likely the virus cares about surveys.

Keep on clinging to it if you insist. Cower in your home, tremble in fear, diaper your face, get more shots…whatever makes you happy.

Most of us choose to move on.

27 posted on 04/16/2022 8:04:04 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: gas_dr

+1 Very well said!


28 posted on 04/16/2022 8:06:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Is it time for a general strike yet?)
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To: gas_dr
It is time to stop the hysterical testing, produce appropriate monoclonals, and oral antivirals, and have the government stop with its lunacy.

Indeed, it is over, except for the politics.

We finally agree on things. 😏

Though I do remember that even in the thick of the vax discussions, you always maintained that you were against mandating it.

29 posted on 04/16/2022 8:11:53 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: ChicagoConservative27

You know where the world is in the “pandemic”? I’ll tell you where: choking on shovel-fulls of pure bullsh*t, and most of them waiting to be fed a truckload more, eagerly waiting to be told where they can and can’t go, what they can and can’t do, with absolutely no thought whatsoever. The world is full of stupid, braindead, gutless sheep.


30 posted on 04/16/2022 8:14:10 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: gas_dr

‘and untested information’

There are many people who may consider C-19 vaccines and recommendations to take them “untested information’. As an educated person you would know how long safety tests are on vaccines and medicines.

Have always been glad you did not promote the mandates and giving them to children.

Have a meaningful Resurrection day tomorrow.


31 posted on 04/16/2022 8:14:26 PM PDT by week 71
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To: week 71

He is risen. A blessed Easter to you.


32 posted on 04/16/2022 8:20:02 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Allegra

I am always for the free choice of the individual. Even when I might not agree with the choice.


33 posted on 04/16/2022 8:20:46 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Owen

‘It does not seem likely the virus cares about surveys.’

seems likely that you are happy it doesn’t...


34 posted on 04/16/2022 8:36:50 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Owen

‘If you are strong minded, you look at global data and see there is no reason to imagine anything but another surge.’

please try and contain your glee...but I know, fear mongering is so much fun....


35 posted on 04/16/2022 8:41:48 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: gas_dr

‘I believe you are not interpreting the data correctly.’

why are you attempting to destroy the guy’s joy at telling us how doomed we are...?


36 posted on 04/16/2022 8:44:30 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: ChicagoConservative27

So “most americans” are smarter than Fauci and the rest of the scientific community? How do they know what is going to happen next with the Covid attack on America?


37 posted on 04/16/2022 9:04:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't blame me, I voted for President Trump. Let's Go Brandon! FJB!)
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To: gas_dr

The measurements are not controlled.

The vax level of the population is different now than with Delta. Every day that passes changes the immunity level because it fades so fast. So a comparison of deaths per cases (and lets use the right denominator here . . . elderly cases) runs into the reality that the old folks in question have different vax profiles or even restriction profiles.

It’s because of this that the only meaningful measurement is deaths. Dead is dead. It doesn’t matter if it was an at home test or a test while gasping in the hospital. Dead is still dead.

The underlying reality to “dead is dead” is what it is doing to life expectancy, which as of last week is now down to 76.6. The young really don’t escape the virus. It takes years off their lives at the back end — even when you use only elderly cases in the denominator.


38 posted on 04/16/2022 10:51:13 PM PDT by Owen
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To: gas_dr

Another point worth making here.

Vax didn’t work because it fades so fast. That’s global and that’s all the vax varieties world wide. The celebrated natural immunity is inferior to vax immunity. I have the study proving it but for the moment, so I don’t have to go get it, just accept that. Meaning. Nothing works from a biology perspective.

The FR world rages about lockdowns and how they also didn’t work. It’s likely correct that they didn’t work, but the definition of “work” is very strictly deaths. Economics are not a measurement of “did the lockdowns work”. There are few good studies on this and those I’ve seen certainly do not show evidence of death reduction.

The definition of Lockdown differs, which likely makes the studies difficult. But in terms of common sense, if we really believe we know how viruses get from one person to another, the concept of distance and enforced distance certainly makes sense.

But where I am going with this is do something or do nothing. If a gov’t decides the people it is supposed to serve should be left to die via doing nothing . . . you’re not going to get many govts to sign onto that. So the alternative is do something.

“Something” doesn’t have to be lockdown. It could be shooting everyone infected. It could be total evacuation of all cities. It could be rounding up the infected and taking them to deserted islands. The point of all that being, lockdown is a pretty damn mild restriction on the spectrum of such.

I have seen the death curves and I have seen only one place adopt an approach that “worked”. NYC. If you look at their curves from spring 2020 to now, their curve never reached spring 2020 again. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

How did this happen? Their new mayor explained:
“You cannot run a city this size with 80% office building vacancies and near empty subways and buses. I don’t care who you are, you can’t do it. So I am begging you, I am standing here begging people, please come back.”

They self evacuated. The ultimate in distancing.

That is the only measure I have seen that worked, and it worked against several strains.


39 posted on 04/16/2022 11:07:01 PM PDT by Owen
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To: lightman
Most viruses are easily defeated with a very weak (1:100) Clorox solution.

Okay, I got my Clorox solution right here!

Only question is: Do I drink it, or inject it?

Regards,

40 posted on 04/17/2022 12:59:47 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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