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Russia no longer demanding Ukraine be ‘denazified’ in ceasefire talks
Financial Times ^ | 3/28/2022 | Max Seddon

Posted on 03/28/2022 12:57:27 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains military non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.

Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.

The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.

Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.

But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: silverleaf

In this article, Z has agreed to keep water flowing to Crimea, regardless of any future negotiations. Vast majority of Ukrainian never had a problem with water flow to Crimea. Only political pressure from the Crimean Tatars caused the water cutoff.


21 posted on 03/28/2022 1:18:59 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: BenLurkin

No land bridge for Russia. The people in that area do not want to be Russian. It will be hostile territory for Russia forever.


22 posted on 03/28/2022 1:20:59 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Yeah maybe that ….and the dam that Kiev built after 2014 to stop the water

One of the first things the Russians destroyed in Feb


23 posted on 03/28/2022 1:21:33 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: BiglyCommentary
So it’s essentially NATO except in name. What a huge fold by Russia.

How reliable is this source, though?

24 posted on 03/28/2022 1:22:49 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: silverleaf

The dam was built to placate the Crimean Tatars, politically. Placating a minority.


25 posted on 03/28/2022 1:23:43 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

“according to four people briefed on the discussions”

Because 4 anonymous sources is better than 1. Because we all know that 4x0 is greater than 1x0


26 posted on 03/28/2022 1:24:53 PM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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To: dfwgator

What has sprouted up again has been obliterated.


27 posted on 03/28/2022 1:24:56 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: marcusmaximus
Ukraine has a non-negotiable policy that it retain the right to have nazis?

Good to know. Note to self: strike Ukraine off of list for future vacation visits...

28 posted on 03/28/2022 1:25:22 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Allegra

Financial Times is the WSJ of England so definitely not weekly world stuff.


29 posted on 03/28/2022 1:26:12 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: TChad

If Putin and Zelensky reach an agreement, will Biden accept it?

As Putin's personal valet, Biden will accept any agreement that doesn't subject him to impeachment, removal and imprisonment. That presumably includes any agreement between Putin and Zelensky.

Biden has remunerated his Russian paymaster, Putin, many times over by denying Poland's clapped-out MiG-29's to Ukraine. While Biden makes grand-sounding pronouncements about the defense of freedom and democracy for the media, he slow-walks US aid to Ukraine.

Biden's shtick, which combines reassuring talk and passive aggressive sabotage, is a winner among the uninformed public. Biden is in Putin’s pocket*, although in a plausibly deniable way. His problem is that both parties are pretty solidly in Ukraine’s camp. And there is plenty of material available to impeach, remove *and* imprison Biden. I doubt Biden will act precipitously to aid his Russian patron. He will throw obstacles in the path of the aid where feasible and perhaps, in so doing, doom Ukraine to defeat.

Joe Biden has the affect of a very good used car salesperson, which he presumably acquired at the feet of his car salesman dad. He makes you feel comfortable, like a member of his fambly, to the point that it almost feels like you’re imposing on him by asking for a discount off the list price. Heck - you want to pay above list, just to show him how much you appreciate the service he provides. Then you drive away from the showroom with the cream puff you just acquired, and the dashboard lights up like a Christmas tree, then goes completely dark, as the car rolls to a gradual stop.

* One of the unheralded aspects of the Ukrainian scene is the way large numbers of Ukrainian oligarchs are owned by Putin. For instance, Burisma, a corporation that looms large in the Biden scandals, is owned by a Ukrainian businessman with indirect ties to Moscow.

It's possible Biden is slow-walking aid to Ukraine because he’s afraid that Putin will blow up his administration. Not with explosives, but by carefully laying out how he used cut-outs to bribe Hunter Biden, and by extension, Joe, in a way that no amount of denial by the media can scrub away.

Some people say Ukraine has its hooks into Biden. That’s absurd on its face. Saying that Biden is tied to Ukraine is like saying the Anwar Awlaki, US citizen anchor baby and the Yemeni terrorist, is tied to the US. The relationship is completely incidental. Biden’s real relationship is to Russia - Burisma’s owner is a pro-Moscow oligarch tied indirectly to Putin.

Yanukovich ran to Moscow because he was Putin’s man. Who was Yanukovich’s man, who left Ukraine when Yanukovich scuttled away to his master in Russia? Zlochevsky, who *co-incidentally* owned Burisma, the outfit that bribed Biden through Hunter.

Zlochevsky served as Ecology and Natural Resources Minister during most of the first cabinet of Mykola Azarov,[1] and during both the later part of Azarov’s first government and all of Azarov’s second government, he served as deputy secretary on National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.[1]

The bottom line? Countries don’t pay bribes. People do. If I had to guess who really bribed Biden, I’d say Putin, through a couple of intermediaries - Zlochevsky who was beholden to Yanukovich who was beholden to Putin. It’s really not that complicated, and makes for plausible deniability.

Why hasn’t the media made the connection? For the same reason it’s completely uninterested in Hunter Biden’s laptop.

30 posted on 03/28/2022 1:26:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Stingray51
The draft negotiation agreements have been leaked consistently to the Financial Times by the Russian negotiators.
31 posted on 03/28/2022 1:27:09 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: JonPreston

“Without a doubt but it doesn’t compare to the global media fire hose in favor of Sir Robinette of Delaware.”

If you had said “American media” instead of “global media,” I’d have to agree with you.


32 posted on 03/28/2022 1:27:21 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

There is no “American Media”, it’s all global now.


33 posted on 03/28/2022 1:28:20 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t think it was ever about zelensky


34 posted on 03/28/2022 1:29:28 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: marcusmaximus

Yeah. Sure. The tatar minority were such a power in 2015.

And the announced Kherson dam to basically block the Dnieper was just the cherry on the sundae.

http://eu.eot.su/2021/02/17/kiev-will-complete-a-dam-to-deprive-crimea-of-water/


35 posted on 03/28/2022 1:30:43 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: marcusmaximus
LINK

The map on the right side, tells you all Russia wanted...

36 posted on 03/28/2022 1:30:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Putin already announced the war will end on May 9th.

https://www.nytimespost.com/putin-has-already-declared-may-9-as-the-end-of-the-war-in-ukraine-kyiv-official-claims/


37 posted on 03/28/2022 1:32:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Depopulate the depopulationists. --FJB)
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s why this war needs to end and we can all get back to the business of getting rid of Democrats in the midterms and getting rid of Biden in 2024.


38 posted on 03/28/2022 1:32:35 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

If any uke leaked details of any concessions, they’d prob be assassinated by their own “no capitulation” powers behind the throne Z sits on


39 posted on 03/28/2022 1:33:38 PM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: BenLurkin

Ukraine never even started repairing the destruction caused by 8 years of their own military shelling the break away areas.


40 posted on 03/28/2022 1:34:04 PM PDT by HollyB
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