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No surrender: Ukraine rejects Russia’s demand to give up Mariupol
Times of Israel ^ | 3/20/2022 | Times of Israel

Posted on 03/20/2022 5:46:23 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: ought-six

You’re making my point - at 70 you’ve been away from what you learned way back then. Unless of course you’ve continued study. Even with my education I know that things I once studied historically have been improved or updated....and corrected.


121 posted on 03/21/2022 12:50:30 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: marcusmaximus

The city’s already been chopped into quarters and cut off. The last of the Azov Battalion there will simply be wiped out.


122 posted on 03/21/2022 1:42:02 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: ought-six
Look at a map: He’ll have to go through NATO to get to the Balkans.

Yes... I know. But, I don't think he fears NATO.

123 posted on 03/21/2022 4:23:04 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: lodi90

During my time I saw some US soldiers flying\waving the Confederate battle flag. I never interpreted it as their intention to reestablish the Confederacy.

Russia has private business, property etc. something the USSR never allowed. It’s more an authoritarian Fascist-like state then a communist\socialist one. Emphasis on authoritarianism not internal economic policy. As a comparison, China currently is also more of an authoritarian Fascist-like state then a communist\socialist one, communist trappings aside. In fact, moving toward Nazi-like state with its growing internal emphasis on Han racial superiority. Xi is slowly encouraging a very Hitler-like (and Mao-like!) cult of personality. Its possible they may completely move back to the Maoist type of state, but not there yet.


124 posted on 03/21/2022 5:51:16 AM PDT by Reily
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To: DoughtyOne

They are surrounded and they want out but the the Azovs won’t let them leave. They are being used as human shields. An escape corridor was made and the Azov battalion is blocking it. Are you good with that or do you think those residents should be able to get out?

I am sad you wouldn’t want me on your side based on propaganda. I have posted to you many times over the years and have respected you.


125 posted on 03/21/2022 6:00:02 AM PDT by dforest
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To: pierrem15

The citizens could get out. The Azovs were not invited to leave I would guess.

Why would you surround an army and let the army leave?


126 posted on 03/21/2022 6:05:23 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Why would you surround an army and let the army leave?

To avoid having to fight them in the city, which is rather difficult. The primary goal for the Russians is a land bridge across the north side of the Sea of Azov. It would be easier to get that by letting the Ukrainian military leave Mariupol, but there's no way the Ukrainians would trust the Russians and despite heavy losses I don't think the Russians would allow it either.

127 posted on 03/21/2022 6:16:32 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Reily

During my time I saw some US soldiers flying\waving the Confederate battle flag. I never interpreted it as their intention to reestablish the Confederacy.


I don’t see a similarity. The Confederate flag has been a symbol of nonconformity for 50 years at least. Here you have Putinist Russia flying the Soviet flag while on a holy war to reconstruct it. Putin has stated quite clearly what a tragedy the disolution of the USSSR was. And there is no private property in Russia if Putin or another authority wants your property.


128 posted on 03/21/2022 9:41:11 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Disagree!


129 posted on 03/21/2022 9:44:05 AM PDT by Reily
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To: lodi90

And there is no private property in Russia if Putin or another authority wants your property.


true here also........................


130 posted on 03/21/2022 9:47:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: caww

“Unless of course you’ve continued study.”

Constantly.


131 posted on 03/21/2022 11:00:37 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“But, I don’t think he fears NATO.”

Which shows the fraud of his using Ukraine’s interest in joining NATO as a pretense for invasion.


132 posted on 03/21/2022 11:03:35 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
Which shows the fraud of his using Ukraine’s interest in joining NATO as a pretense for invasion.

Indeed.

Crazy people seem to have a habit of telling everyone what they want to do. Hitler did it. Putin did too.

He wants to rebuild the old 'Soviet Union'. He's been doing it for a while. Maybe, he's running out of time?

Or maybe, he thinks NOW is a good time to make a lot of progress.

133 posted on 03/21/2022 1:30:40 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: dforest

Weren’t you talking about them leveling the city if the people
wouldn’t surrender, and so not surrendering was a bad idea?

If it comes to my town, there will be no surrendering. Those
who wish to won’t be on my side.

What propaganda is it that you think I have heard that causes
you to think it turned me against you?

I wonder how many biolabs are in this city, if Russia is so
intent on capturing it.


134 posted on 03/21/2022 2:40:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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