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History shows that Western sanctions have never put a dent in Russian resolve
Yahoo News ^ | 3/17/22 | Daniel Fine

Posted on 03/17/2022 1:59:19 PM PDT by brownwill6767

“There is an absence of history in Washington. Russia “encircled” with “sanctions” to deter war. The Republicans want to escalate into an air war with various ideas for intervention by air to offset Russian air superiority. The Democrats oppose this as a risk of World War Three. The lost history in the media and in Washington is in underestimating Russian resistance and self-sufficient go-it-alone nationalism.

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Only Moscow is shutting down over sanctions. Outside in the countryside nothing is softening via disruptions to trade and international banking or Moscow in the world. Russia lost 23 million in the Second War and still celebrates its victory over Nazism every year.
1 posted on 03/17/2022 1:59:19 PM PDT by brownwill6767
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To: brownwill6767

Sanctions don’t work. Ask Cuba.


2 posted on 03/17/2022 2:02:48 PM PDT by Mr. N. Wolfe
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To: brownwill6767

As Pasternak put it in Dr. Zhivago, Russians have a “cursed capacity for suffering.”


3 posted on 03/17/2022 2:03:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Sanctions on Russia end up hurting regular Americans more than Russia.


4 posted on 03/17/2022 2:04:03 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: brownwill6767

Isn’t Russia a nation today due to the U. S. taking a hard
line in the 1980s?

It would seem that someone forgot something along the way.


5 posted on 03/17/2022 2:06:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: brownwill6767
History shows that Western sanctions have never put a dent in Russian resolve

Maybe Biden and the Globalists are trying to dent something other than Russian ...

6 posted on 03/17/2022 2:06:49 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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Big difference between most Russians and most Ukrainians west of the Dneiper.The former celebrate the crushing of nazis. The latter mourn the defeat of the nazis


7 posted on 03/17/2022 2:07:09 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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Nor will it....

This is a country that spans how many time zones?

Has more natural resources than can be counted....

Russia can self sustain if it desires to.

If one of the4 folks who’s been allowed to be super wealthy by their connections to Putin complains too loudly that Putin is costing him a fortune, they will simply disappear.


8 posted on 03/17/2022 2:08:37 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: brownwill6767

False allegation that anyone wants to escalate into an air war. It already is an air war, with the Russians having air superiority. Supplying MIGs to Ukrainian pilots and wishing them good luck is not escalation, or involving the US, but how proxy wars are fought. Take off in Germany. Land in Moldavia. Have Ukraine pilots take custody. Done and done.

But back to the topic. Western sanctions did not cause the Soviet Union to collapse. Afghanistan, Chernobyl, and the impracticability of communism did it. But sanctions and containment did help speed its demise along. They will perhaps speed the end of the war along, and some of the Russian people themselves are risking beatings and imprisonment to protest the war. This isn’t about Russian resolve, but Putin’s ability to prosecute the war despite everything. Sanctions are putting a dent in that ability, whatever his personal resolve is.


9 posted on 03/17/2022 2:09:14 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (January 6, worst assault on democracy since the Reichstag Fire)
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The Russians are always determined when they want to seize more territory. They don’t care many poor hapless conscripts they expend to do it.


10 posted on 03/17/2022 2:10:43 PM PDT by Chainmail (99.36% of all statistics are made up on the spot)
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The US is always determined to go for sanctions against a wide variety of foreign countries—even when they totally fail to achieve their objectives.

Doubling, tripling down on failure is called stupidity.

There is no known cure for it.


11 posted on 03/17/2022 2:16:39 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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"The Democrats oppose this as a risk of World War Three."

Wait ... besides AOC (in a blind squirrel moment) WHAT Democrats oppose this as a risk of World War Three???

(I'm pretty sure it's not Biden, because he does whatever he is told. But there seems to be some nemeless, faceless adviser holding Biden back.)

12 posted on 03/17/2022 2:18:04 PM PDT by Sooth2222 (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.” ("Every nation has the government it deserves.”) )
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The sanctions Reagan put on the extremely tough. We dropped crude to $10 to starve them. We bankrupted them. The author is a flaming idiot.


13 posted on 03/17/2022 2:18:20 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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[Russia lost 23 million in the Second War and still celebrates its victory over Nazism every year.]


During the Soviet era, Russian families were held hostage via ration cards. Mutiny, and no food for them. The Germans were looking to kill all of Russia after their victory, and made huge down payments on this intent by starving 2/3 of the Russian POW’s to death and slaughtering Russian civilians randomly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

Neither condition holds true in Ukraine. So desertion, mutiny and outright defection are all options.

Assuming official Russian casualties are true - 500 in 1 week - 500 is 1/2 the average Russian KIA in Afghanistan for an entire year. I suspect Putin is going to run into serious problems taking casualty numbers at ~25x its reported Afghan War rate per week with half the Russian population that it had during the Afghan campaign. All those single son families are gonna be screaming bloody murder.

When you compare Afghanistan to Vietnam, it’s remarkable how much less punishment in body count terms the Russians were able to take before hitting their uncle point. The official Russian KIA number in Afghanistan was 13,000 over about 10 years, which is roughly 1/5 the US number in Vietnam. When you think about the coercive powers of the totalitarian Soviet state vs the anything goes milieu of 60’s and 70’s America - it’s amazing the US hung in there so long.


14 posted on 03/17/2022 2:21:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: brownwill6767

Modern economies don’t work they same way as older economies. You can’t compared the two. It would be like saying detonation an EMP over a city 100 years ago had minimal impact, so detonation one over a modern city today would also have the same limited impact.


15 posted on 03/17/2022 2:22:22 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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Star Wars is also an important part of what finished Russia at that time.

Once they realized they could never outspend us to overcome our nuclear defenses they threw in the towel.

Notice that we don’t hear a lot about the strategic nuclear weapon status these days.

Imho our .gov and mass media propagandists are hiding the ball—if they had a good narrative to tell we would be hearing it.


16 posted on 03/17/2022 2:22:58 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: dfwgator

That capacity reached a limit and the USSR fell. Does anyone believe the people want to return to lines for toilet paper or shoes.As bad as the oligarchs are and they are, more is passed on to the people than was ever done by the commissars and apparatchiks. Now maybe Putin can turn their disenchantment on the US and Europe. He is a talented if evil leader. But sanctions, if enforced, a very big if, will cause hurt even in the countryside.


17 posted on 03/17/2022 2:29:08 PM PDT by xkaydet65 ( )
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We’ll find out soon enough.


18 posted on 03/17/2022 2:34:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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19 posted on 03/17/2022 2:35:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Russia has already won.

Russia made Europe realize how much they need Russian energy. Russia may keep all the abandoned infrastructure left behind by global businesses at the urging of global
governments. They get free stuff by killing a few Ukrainians and having a few tanks blown up. Pretty good deal.
Russia is now much more intertwined with China than the west. All at the west’s urging
Russia said Ukraine was a red line, but VP was willing to wait until the US had a pussy president, a libtard energy policy. If Hillary had won, they would have done this in 2017. Trump allowed the Ukrainians a few more years of living under the illusion they were a real country. Unfortunately, they are a puppet with strings in both Moscow and Washington.

And the people, the common man and women everywhere, suffer.


20 posted on 03/17/2022 2:41:19 PM PDT by SteelPSUGOP
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