Posted on 03/09/2022 4:59:00 AM PST by Morpheus2009
Will a mass transition to electric vehicles (EVs) cause the electric power grid to collapse? Some argue that EVs will make the grid unstable, which could mean hefty investments to upgrade existing infrastructures in order to withstand the electricity uptake
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I've seen proposals for electric vehicles, battery powered, that would also incorporate small generators at the wheels...which would in turn recharge the batteries.
Am I missing something? Basic laws of physics says that there has to be a net loss somewhere in order for matter to be moved; i.e., energy has to be expended.
But maybe if the energy expended is minimal because of the constant recharging....?
sigh ... so much bull-shiite, so little reasoning & understanding.
My answer to that question would be that they have already proved that, YES, they will lie as they feel is necessary.
Well, without a garage, the car must be parked outside & this might be good as when the EV catches fire, MAYBE it won’t burn down the whole apartment complex.
Why can’t the president, some of Congress, & other liberal idiots understand this most basic fact?
You’re all missing the real point to all e-vehicles: The new order doesn’t want you to have cars at all! In fact, they don’t want you even travelling unless they have a say in it. Total social control is what they want. You will ride the bus and you will like it!
Well...the last big one was started over oil too. I hope Putin realizes he may have bitten off more than he can chew. But if he doesn't and this thing gets out of control...I don't feel comfortable with Biden being involved at all. And that's putting it mildly.
If you're married and have two cars anyway (like me) you can have an EV and a gas car to have the best of both worlds (what I'll do if I get an EV). The gas car will be for long trips (no waiting a long time on the road). The EV will take up virtually zero of our time charging. Why? Because virtually all charging will be at home when the car is parked anyway. You plug it up as you're walking away from it after you get home --- something you can't do with a gas car when you walk away from it.
From the perspective of using the EV for trips, you're 100% right on EV's taking 40 minutes at best to get another 200-ish miles (newer EV's that use fast DC charging stations). But from the perspective of using the EV for daily commutes, an EV means no more taking 5-10 minutes once or twice a week to pump gas in the hot or cold or rainy weather. When you get home, you plug it in, and ignore it the rest of the evening just like you would your gas car, only with a gas car it has just as much left in the tank the next morning as when you came in the night before.
Let's say instead of being married you're single (read: need only one car). If you make only a couple of trips per year, you'd probably have more wait time throughout the year filling up a gas car at a gas station for regular commutes, even if it's only 5-10 minutes per fill-up, than the wait time for the couple of trips requiring an EV to fill up at a charging station for 40-50 minutes at a time, but only a few times per year.
Now if you're retired and do lots of traveling, then an EV is a nightmare. But if we're talking about only a couple of out of town trips per year, I'd weigh those lengthy but few recharges against the short but many gas fill-ups to see which is better for you.
I guess they believe in the tooth fairy too.
MAD MAX 2.0 will be very interesting
That is what being a perpetually elected political oligarch will do to you. You will get tempted to feel invincible as if you cannot be wrong and feel as if you know better than everyone else.
In 2021, about 4,116 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.12 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States. About 61% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.
If the situation turns to the point where people barter, the situation will be so FUBAR that there won’t be much effective actual enforcement against bartering. Most of the politicians already let shoplifters get away with it. They are largely a lazy and cowardly lot.
BS!
The grid can not handle it.
Case in point look at California with their brownouts and rolling blackouts during the summer months because the grid can’t handle the demand.
No, Electric Vehicles won’t impact the grid or overload
Here in Los Angeles in the summer months they have power failures a lot Edison co. even requests people to use less electricity between 4pm and 8pm.
Some on the savings plan get their power shut of for a few hours at a time so much for grid propaganda report.
No a/c in 100 degree heat is good huh
Another 25% ia generated from nuclear and hydropower, both which are frowned upon by the greenies.
“..sigh ... so much bull-shiite, so little reasoning & understanding....”
^THIS^
Just wait till one these lib morons comes out claiming to have invented a “perpetual motion” machine defying all laws of physics, chemistry, thermodynamics, gravity etc.
The 81+ million of the public that voted for pedoJoe will lap it up like a hungry dog lapping gravy.
AND the strain on the grid with major cities banning gas for heating and cooking. AND the battery technology doesn’t work in high heat or cold. And where will everyone charge these miracle cars? All those people who have to,park on the street? Will the democrats magically create charging stations for every car on the streets? Are the street bums going to NOT steal the copper from them and vandalize them? Central planning always works for the central planners.
The math is not that hard it’s 6th grade level. The average person drives 13500 miles per YEAR. That’s only 36.5 miles per day this is also inline with what the NHTSA puts as the avg daily driving distance. A full sized Tesla model S goes 4 miles for every one kWh from the plug this is well documented with thousands of data points Tesla cars report back their battery status and usage statistics to the mothership of Tesla servers via their over air links. So 36.5/4= 9.13 kWh per day in electric us to cover the average daily drive.
That’s slightly more than one hour use of a electric cloths dryer or an hour and half of running a 5 ton AC unit. Hardly something to get worked up over.
Put another way two 450 watt commercial sized solar panels on a roof could put out that much power in a 12 hour day. Read that again two plywood 8x4 foot sized commercial solar panels could make 10kWh in a typical mid latitude solar day. It’s like having a petrol station in the roof.
People seem to think EVs will be charged from zero to full every night. How many people drive 300+ miles per day? The answer is a tiny fraction of a percentage. UBER drivers , delivery types like door dash, Taxi drivers.
The average person drives under 40 miles per day that’s well documented by the NHTSA and energy.gov as well as census.gov rural types drive more but the vast majority of people live in the urban area’s. This is why the population average driving distance is under 40 miles urban area’s have density. No one really cares what the few outliers drive at hundreds of miles per day they are outliers the bulk of the miles in this country are light duty vehicles in urban areas with individual trip distances of under 6 miles and daily totals under 40 regardless what a few high mileage rural types think the data is clear.
Look at energy.gov actual data not perception from personal bias. Pay particular attention to the blue bar,blue pie chart. Nearly ALL of that energy and trips are under ten miles and every miles of that can be electric. 10kWh a day in extra energy use is not going to crash anything. The variance in seasonal energy use per day in Texas is five times that. You go from ten kWh per day in winter to 80+ in summer just running the dual zone AC units. For the outliers who drive hundreds of miles per day fast AC or DC chargers driven off battery packs that trickle charge during the day is the way to go. Audi,VW and BMW all have charging stations for industrial and commercial use based on exactly that technology using second life cells.pulled from the last generation of EV to serve as the load leveling packs.
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10318
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10661
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10566
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10569
“In 2020, there were approximately 57.23 million people living in rural areas in the United States, compared to about 272.91 million people living in urban areas.”
There’s a heating appliance you can add to the car, to handle preventing a cold start.
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