In other words, Putin will end the war if he is given everything he actually wanted in the first place. That’s a good deal, but only from Putin’s point of view. But what other choice does Ukraine have?
Nuts.
Puppet state of Ukraine should have agreed with this before getting invaded.
1) No, but will agree that neither NATO nor any of its member states will house any nuclear weapons or (defined) launch capability in Ukraine;
2) Agree to hold plebiscite in defined region of disputed territories, and to abide by results. Who is eligible to vote would have to be defined up front.
I think the Ukraine response should be agree to not join *any* bloc, to include NATO and EU, but also BRICS, Eurasian Union, and/or any future Russia-based blocs. No nukes or foreign military on Ukraine territory, and a new open elections in Crimea, Lukhansk, Donbass, as noted above.
Barring Ukraine’s entry into NATO might be worth agreeing to because NATO doesn’t want to admit Ukraine for other reasons. Anyway, the agreement could be violated as time goes on.
I don’t know about the other three conditions.
But it’s probably worth letting the conflict continue because who knows — Russia might cave first.
Russia will need a face-saving way to cave.
Seems like Ukraine/NATO/EU would be wanting concessions or guarantee from Russia as part of the deal.
A lot of thinking and strategizing is going on that we know nothing about.
It gives the Russian forces time to resupply and refuel.
Wow the quantity of cheese eating surrender monkeys on this thread. So Ukraine should acquiesce to unreasonable demands just cause the bully says so? How about Putin stop being a bully, stop defining himself in opposition to the West, and get the hell out of a country that’s none of his business.
President Zoolander should take this in a heartbeat and end the bloodshed. Zelensky already has his Soros $$ out of the country. he needs to do this while he has a chance to keep some statehood likely in Lviv or west ukraine.
there are many who would rather fight to the last Ukrainian.
At this point it may be best just to agree to save innocent lives and infrastructure. You won’t have to actually agree because all agreements and political lingo are based on deceit and lies. Just say you agree, regroup and fight another day.
Sounds right to me. He wants a safe border. Hey, we were forced to the brink of nuclear war when Russia sent missiles to Cuba. I don’t blame Putin at all. Despite what liberal fact checkers say, there are U.S. sponsored bio labs in Ukraine.
Zelensky should take them. This is the best offer he’s likely to get.
Only issue I see is with the fourth one, “recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states” would not be acceptable - they must be either part of Russia or part of Ukraine, but they cannot exist independently. Russia doesn’t get two little proxy states with which to harass Ukraine.
1- Zelensky agrees
2- Russia sends some pallets of cash to NATO, US and EU pols.
3- Everyone is friends again.