Posted on 02/28/2022 8:47:21 AM PST by OneVike
During the US Presidential campaign of 2008, Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin warned us that if Senator Barack Obama were elected President, his "indecision" and "moral equivalence" may encourage Russia's Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine. Well Obama won and became President, then in 2014 he sat back and watched as Putin rolled into Ukraine to take the Crimea. 8 years later his former Vice President and now President, Joe Biden, is sitting back as he watches Putin finish the job by invading Ukraine again.
follow the link below to see video of Palin warning us about Russia’s motives for Ukraine.
Sad to admit it, but today I am so on the fence on this Russia vs Ukraine war that I find it difficult to get upset anymore. I mean, I Look at the way the United States goes from one extreme to the other in how we deal with both our allies and enemies. Which ever political party controls the White House, can mean the difference between freedom or subjugation for any of our allies. Is it any wonder, many like me find it difficult to even care anymore?
Regardless of his reasoning, I for one cannot blame Putin for caring more about his country's needs than he does about the rest of the World. One administration uses him to enrich their private bank account, then accuses him of stealing an election for a man who in actuality turns out to be Russia's worst nightmare. Then they steal an election and start using our allies and enemies again to get rich while letting him do as he pleases as long as their friends get rich.
When I think about it, I am always brought back to the reality of the way the United states has continually treated it's allies. Consider this, we go from one extreme to the other, all depending on who our President is. I can't help but wonder why I should care any more. Seriously, can anyone truly blame Putin for caring more about his own country's interests than the rest of the World's interests? To be quite honest, it is a natural, rational, logical thing to do. Or so one would think. unfortunately in today's so-called Western Democracies of the World, we don't have rational people running them. In the last 30 years or so, most of the leaders of Western Democracies have been, and still are, a bunch of idiots educated beyond their own intelligence.
Could someone please point out to me which empires, or societies, in history willingly did things that were detrimental to the survival of their own society? I realize that many did some stupid things by poking a bear now and then just to have their clock cleaned. However, I am pretty good on history, and I fail to find any societies of the past who willingly helped their rival societies destroy them. There have been Benedict Arnold's from time to time, but not a majority of those who are in power. It may be just me, but in the last 30 years I have witnessed mass societal suicide by those elected to keep the country strong and healthy.
In the last 30 years, Look how Democrat Presidents have treated nations around the World whom we have treaties with. We treat them all like yo-yos, because our foreign policy is so schizophrenic depending on who gets elected to the Oval Office. Mind you, Russia needs money to survive like all nations do. His biggest asset is his oil and gas, which he needs to sell in order to bring cash into his small economy. So United States Democrats tell him to go ahead and pump and sell his oil because we are going to shut ours down. Then a Republican comes in and frees up the red tape that shut down our domestic oil production capability, and we become more energy independent. Then Putin does something we aren't to crazy about, so we slap sanctions on him to limit his ability to sell his oil and gas.
Then a Democrat comes along and and shuts down our oil again allowing Putin to sell his oil. Now tell me why he or any other nation in the World give a rats butt about what we think? I know if I were a foreign leader I would never ever trust any agreement or deal, or promise ever made by an America President thanks to the leftists in the US.
Remember, it was under Obama that his VP Biden threatened the Oligarch leaders of Ukraine that he would cut off the military and other humanitarian aid, the Bush administration promised, if they didn't fire the countries Attorney General who was investigation Hunter Biden. Who the hell can ever trust anything we say or do? You know, let Putin do what he wants, and the hell with both Russia and Ukraine. In the middle of all this in countless of millions of lives hanging in the balance of what the US will decide to do from administration to administration.
I'll tell you something, the evil ones are us. Not anyone else, Why? Because we claim we have GOD, we claim we care, yet God is not stupid. One day HE will spit us out like he did the Southern Tribe of Judah who would continually go from acting moral superior to Sodom like as they shoved their proverbial finger in GOD's eye. Constantly going from one good king to a bad one, then to a good one, then back to a bad one. Like HE did with Judah, GOD will eventually tell us America's time is up. I puke you out, I'll replace you with another people who will one day follow me and not sacrifice their children to Moloch! We continually act like we are a moral superior society, because we are supposedly a Christian nation with a constitution that is better than the rest. What a farce.
As for Putin, even Billy Graham gave him credit for embracing Christianity, while condemning America for becoming more like Sodom. Mind you, I do not claim he is a Saint, but can you show me a politician in America who can prove by their deeds they are a better Christian than Putin is? I know a few Republicans who can, but not one Democrat who can. Now I don't want to move to Russia, but the United States and Russia sure seem to be heading into opposite directions when it comes to morals and human rights. I know Russians does not have a constitution that defends their rights like ours is supposed to do for us. However, what good is a constitutional right when so many of them being denied us by the courts? Consider the following about Putin;
OH you will say Putin rigged the elections to get elected in Russia. Well, looks like we have a lot in common with Russia then, because we all know that Biden did not win the election of 2020. I could care less what the Democrats and most Republicans in Congress claim. So you have a problem with me tossing Republicans into the same basket as I do Democrats? Well, did you know that only 14 Republican US Senators condemned Trudeau for what he did to the truckers. That means 86 US Senators agree with his totalitarian actions. We also know that most Republicans in Congress are silent about the many citizens still locked up for practicing their constitutional right to protest against the government.
Now I would prefer Russia not annex Ukraine, but I would also have preferred we spent most our energy taking out the Taliban in Afghanistan than removing Saddam from power in Iraq. When I compare Russia to the US, I cannot honestly say I see that we are a better place, with a better leader with a better way of doing things anymore. Sorry, but please tell me why I should waste my energy caring about a place Biden used to enrich him and his family while attacking me and those like me who do not agree with him politically? So I can really say that accept for the souls of those in danger, I personally could care less one way or the other anymore.
You do make a fair point. The media is now portraying Ukraine as some sort of perfect country that is being bullied for no reason at all.
That is, of course, far from the truth. But I still hold to my previous comments. If you’re going to kill people and break things, you’d better have a damn good reason. In my opinion, that reason is absent here.
By the way, we saw the exact same thing in regards to Bush II and Iraq. In my opinion, Putin is now a war criminal. But so is George W. Bush.
No way!! I didn't know that!
Par for the course for Kyle Goebbels, though.
.
I’m sorry, wrong thread.
Vindman’s (medals) wife was hired by Lincoln Project Child Molesters
.
And now the Swiss are piling on.
This stinks. It stinks to high heaven.
Putin and Russia are in the wrong, but I am not sure we are in the right.
Agree.
We disagree on whether Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was provoked or not. I certainly understand Putin’s concern about NATO’s expansion. The mere talk of accepting Ukraine into NATO was foolish and dangerous.
But as I see it, you are only justified in going to war when another country has first committed a warlike activity against you. That is a high standard, I know.
Oh, and I do agree with you about Biden bearing some responsibility here. Everyone in his administration behaves like an ignorant and spoiled child. Unfortunately, I fully expect that to continue.
One day HE will spit us out like he did the Southern Tribe of Judah who would continually go from acting moral superior to Sodom like as they shoved their proverbial finger in GOD's eye.
True. Hitler had legitimate gripes against the Versailles Treaty, but up until the invasion of Poland, nobody attacked Germany.
Remember how they are still portraying us conservatives for questioning their rigged "election" in 2020 - as nutsoid conspiracy mongers.
They have all the heavy Media and propaganda hitters in on this one, and as we've seen, all they need to do is convince 30-40 percent of the people to ram their Narrative through.
These are the people that watch TeeVee.
I myself am not crippled by TeeVee influence, and I've been studying their Media for 25 years or more.
They lie about EVERYTHING - even more so when their direct interests are involved.
One shouldn’t forget Sarah Palin was getting advice and likely views from Mr. NWO, Henry Kissenger at the time.
Kind of a long vanity. I’ll take a stab here and there.
“When I think about it, I am always brought back to the reality of the way the United states has continually treated it’s allies. Consider this, we go from one extreme to the other, all depending on who our President is. “
***This was by DESIGN. Our founding fathers wanted power spread out among the 3 branches of guvmint, not too much landing in the president’s lap. So they gave him lotsa power over foreign policy because, at the time, one would send a message to some other country overseas saying “I don’t like you” and the response would be 6 weeks later “I don’t like you either” and it took MONTHS to go to war. Now it takes SECONDs.
I can’t help but wonder why I should care any more.
***Maybe you should take the time to think on both sides of the equation. All your thinking so far is on Russia’s side, not Ukraine’s side.
Seriously, can anyone truly blame Putin for caring more about his own country’s interests than the rest of the World’s interests?
***Seriously, can anyone truly blame Ukraine for caring more about their own country’s interests than the rest of the World’s interests?
To be quite honest, it is a natural, rational, logical thing to do.
***Then start thinking along those 2-sided lines instead of just 1-sided.
Or so one would think.
***Pablum expression.
unfortunately in today’s so-called Western Democracies of the World, we don’t have rational people running them.
***True. What can be done about it? Bringing the media back into balance, that’s one thing. Revoke section 230 protection on the internet, yank some FCC licenses until unbiased news is on those frequencies...
In the last 30 years or so, most of the leaders of Western Democracies have been, and still are, a bunch of idiots educated beyond their own intelligence.
***Yeah. So what is your point?
Could someone please point out to me which empires,
***Once again, you’re looking at this from only ONE angle: Russia’s. Look at it from Ukraine’s angle. Look at it from NATO’s angle. Look at it from USA’s angle.
or societies, in history willingly did things that were detrimental to the survival of their own society?
***I’m seeing commonalities in Ukrainian reluctance to join NATO with Taiwanese reluctance to declare independence from China. It’s probably simple hubris. They have a higher opinion of themselves than is warranted, and their enemies take advantage of that.
Bingo. It was intentionally done by the traitors in our midst. They want to bring down their own country in order to adhere to the globalist cabal. God help us.
Almost as soon as he took power, Hitler began to arm-up in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. But that was not a warlike activity. And so he was left alone, as he probably should have been.
Then in 1936 Hitler ordered the remilitarization of the Rhineland. German troops entered what was supposed to be kind of a neutral zone militarily. That was also a violation of the Treaty of Versailles. But unlike with the first example, in my opinion this was a warlike activity, and should have been met with force. Pity that it wasn’t.
Ain’t 20-20 hindsight great?
Now I would prefer Russia not annex Ukraine, but I would also have preferred we spent most our energy taking out the Taliban in Afghanistan than removing Saddam from power in Iraq.
***My approach would be to establish emBASEeees. In this case, Russia is the Taliban.
From my home page
I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
And Hitler gave the order to turn back if the French shot at them, and of course the French never shot....and the rest is history.
Ditto!!!!!!
In your view, it’s unprovoked. Others disagree.
***Allrightie, then. How do we as a conservative site get down to the right and proper definition of “properly provoked” so much as to get invaded?
I personally believe the Taliban “properly provoked” an invasion of Afghanistan when they trained 19 hijackers to fly airplanes into buildings killing 3000 innocent Americans.
Were the Russians “properly provoked” into invading Afghanistan themselves? They tried to annex it as well, unsuccessfully.
I’m vacillating on Reagan’s invasion of Granada. For all his whoopin’, hollerin’ and peacockin’, that was his only military engagement so it was a great demonstration of deterrence if nothing else.
I think Britain was properly provoked into defending the Falklands, and Argentina was NOT properly provoked into invading them.
I think we were properly provoked into Gulf War 1, but not Gulf War 2. We shoulda cleaned out that country and set up emBASEeees.
I vacillate about whether we were properly provoked into invading Panama and getting Noriega. We wouldn’t even have had to if we had kept that marvelous example of a nice, long emBASEeee known as the Panama Canal.
We were properly provoked into landing at Inchon and fighting off the commies at Korea.
We were NOT properly provoked at the Gulf of Tonkin incident. But we shoulda helped out the south against that obvious invasion from the north.
We could look at Israel and whether they were properly provoked into initiating the 1967 war. I’m heavily biased in their favor.
I certainly will say this for the Russians, their police don’t fool around. If you get pulled over for so much as minor traffic violation it’s pretty much a given you’re going to get slapped around a bit and the Russians are okay with that.
As a conservative site, we can all have our opinions on "properly provoked".
I didn't attack Leaning Right for his/her differing view, I just pointed out that others disagreed.
we can all have our opinions on “properly provoked”.
***Judges 17:6
In those days ... every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.