Posted on 02/05/2022 3:38:33 AM PST by RandFan
Former Vice President Mike Pence on Friday directly rebutted Donald Trump’s false claims that he somehow could have overturned the results of the 2020 election, saying that the former president was simply “wrong.”
In a speech to a gathering of the conservative Federalist Society in Florida, Pence addressed Trump’s intensifying efforts this week to advance the false narrative that, as vice president, he had the unilateral power to prevent President Joe Biden from taking office.
“President Trump is wrong,” Pence said. “I had no right to overturn the election.”
In a statement Tuesday, Trump said the committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol should instead probe “why Mike Pence did not send back the votes for recertification or approval.” And on Sunday, he blasted Pence, falsely declaring that “he could have overturned the Election!”
Vice presidents play only a ceremonial role in the the counting of Electoral College votes. Any attempt to interfere in the count would have represented an extraordinary violation of the law and an assault on the democratic process, sparking a Constitutional crisis.
Pence, in his remarks Friday to the group of lawyers in Lake Buena Vista, described Jan. 6, 2021 as “a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol” and framed his actions as in line with his duty as a constitutional conservative.
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But they were regularly given and lawfully certified in the laws in place in the states at the time. Suspicions of widespread fraud doesn't change that because it was just claims and nothing was proven. To this day they remain just claims because nobody has been charged with any crime or any misdeeds relating to the charges. So Pence had nothing to act on.
Maybe for the most part the role of the VP may appear to be ceremonial because, in the past, there were no results to question for many years. It is not ceremonial if there exist serious allegations of fraud and illegal conduct.
It is entirely ceremonial, based on the Constitution and the laws currently in place. To say otherwise is to say the Executive Branch can overrule the decision of the states at will, and nothing in the Constitution supports that.
There is a growing mountain of evidence of fraud and illegal conduct that the rightful winner of the 2020 presidential election was Donald J. Trump.
Then charge, arrest, try, convict, and jail those responsible. Why isn't that being done?
Go away Mike, the majority do not want to hear your stupidity.
Actually, if the VP had such power, why didn’t Gore overrule and make himself president. He certainly was dishonest and ambitious enough. Was Gore too dumb to do it? On his own yes, but there were plenty of Rat lawyers to urge him on. Even they couldn’t justify it and not because of any patriotic scruples!
The grounds Pence would have been standing on is that there were multiple electors presented from certain states, and therefore he had the right, if not obligation, to refuse to certify any of those states based on the precedent of 1876. Instead, he acted like everything was hunky dory, and peachy keen, which was anything but the truth. His lies now that the President was pushing him to solely overturn the election further expose his dishonesty.
There’s right, there’s wrong, and then there is what is politically expedient. Most here, Trump included, don’t give a damn about what is politically expedient, and that is what keeps me up nights scared to death that Biden will get a second term.
“Overturned” is not the right word for them to be using here.
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And it gives a sense of legitimacy to what Pence is saying.
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The election and electoral process was actually HIJACKED to put Biden in office.
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So what do you call it when the hijackers are overpowered from their illegal efforts?
A quo warranto challenges the office holder to prove the authority by which their seat was acquired. They have no presumption of that authority; they have to prove it.
Currently a GA state court has ruled that the 2020 electiow, wasn't. It violated state election law, rendering the election unprovable. And UNLAWFUL.
There are 2 other states with this same problem TODAY.
Exactly.
Then Biden and Harris point to the results of the vote of the Electoral College, the counting the votes by Congress, the sign-off on all elections by the appropriate state authorities, the various state audits that showed no fraud and say that is their authority to hold the office. Then what?
A recitation of the federal side of elections still requires a LAWFUL state election. In this case it was 'discovered' after the fact. It's only been a week that the GA state court made its ruling the mail ballot rules were not legal, and the election happened anyway.
Once the quo warranto ruling is made, Congress can remove the states 2 (D) Senators, and 8 (R), 9 (D) Representatives. Then it up to Congress to remove them and make any other corrections, like removing legislation they voted on?
All that needs to be said...
It was a LAWFUL election according to all the sources I gave.
It's only been a week that the GA state court made its ruling the mail ballot rules were not legal, and the election happened anyway.
Well, to begin with it was Pennsylvania, not Georgia. The mail-in voting were not struck down as a result of any of the claims of fraud. And the Court didn't say the elections were invalid.
Once the quo warranto ruling is made, Congress can remove the states 2 (D) Senators, and 8 (R), 9 (D) Representatives.
Plus all the state legislators and state elected officials elected since the law was passed. Don't forget them. Also a warrant has to be filed first. Let me know how you do.
Because the six disputed states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) ran entirely fraudulent elections
Yet the supreme court wouldn’t hear Trumps case looks like not just the elections were rigged huh?.
Could it be that those responsible are one and the same as the Democrats who benefited by the fraud, the MSM, an arm of the Democrats, and big Tech, all of whom are likely guilty of the big steal, and doing their best to block initiatives to look into whether there was fraud?
The truth is coming out, but at a snail's pace because of the reluctance of those responsible to allow the fact finders to do their jobs. Only a handful of counties that are long time strongholds for the Democrats, with a reputation of corruption, and hostile to investigations; these counties account for the flip from Trump to Biden.
Millions were spent to increase the vote by big Tech. How many of those votes were illegal? Don't look for big Tech or the Democrats or their complicent partners in the MSM to help to provide the answer.
Or could it be that the evidence of fraud isn't there? Unless the effort is made to charge people with crimes and get them into court then it will remain easy for the opposition to dismiss any fraud claims.
The truth is coming out, but at a snail's pace because of the reluctance of those responsible to allow the fact finders to do their jobs.
Nothing much is coming out that hasn't come out before.
Millions were spent to increase the vote by big Tech. How many of those votes were illegal? Don't look for big Tech or the Democrats or their complicent partners in the MSM to help to provide the answer.
But supposedly Trump has mountains of evidence proving fraud. Unless that makes it to court then it's meaningless.
True. My older mind has problems with AZ, PA, GA, WI, MI as the 'troublesome' states to keep straight. And GA has those ballot harvesting videos to deal with, so I guess I jumped the gun. They can't avoid it - Doesn’t matter if every ballot was legitimate or none of them were; that’s ballot (& voter) fraud.
So let's do PA today instead. It won't be as much fun as their US Senators were not part of the election and would remain. So the only impact would be some Representatives who were elected in 2020. It would be up to Congress to determine if any impact to the Electoral College would change from removing PA's Electoral Vote count for POTUS / VPOTUS.
Here's the link to the PA court's ruling
stating "But a constitutional amendment must be presented to the people and adopted into our fundamental law before legislation authorizing no-excuse mail-in voting can 'be placed upon our statute books'.”
Too bad you missed the movie preview of the massive ballot harvesting by paid operatives the FBI and GBI couldn't find by using the technology used to find and arrest the patriots of Jan. 6. Across a number of states. And ballot harvesting is illegal in GA, PA, and AZ.
Politely keeping silent about the stolen election may be “politically expedient” but it’s also a sure way to kill any chance of a red wave in 2022 and 2024 and give Biden a second term.
It signals weakness and lack of leadership.
They stole the 2020 election, and if President Trump were to simply turn the other cheek - no one would ever follow him again.
Then why hasn't anyone been charged with any crimes?
Because the people cheating were beneficiaries of the election and were elected into offices that run the 'investigations' and they protect their illegal acts. One example is the Sect'y of State in charge of state elections, now Governor, set up the machine purchase and the cheat, and a County Clerk overseeing elections reported election fraud to the press. The SoS summoned the Clerk to an immediate meeting. The Clerk made a backup of her election machine before leaving. When the Clerk got back she learned the SoS and law enforcement had just been in her office and said the election machine had been tampered with. The tampering turned out to be the erasure of the machine's log files of signon access to it of the 2020 election, leaving previous elections intact.
Failure to retain election materials for 22 months? Check.
Unlawful election. Check
Not knowing the Clerk has the data that was erased on her backup? Priceless
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