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Health expert urges caution after blood-testing firm claims 'pandemic is over' in Alberta hamlet
CBC News ^ | January 9, 2012 | Paige Parsons

Posted on 01/09/2022 2:14:33 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian

A private blood-testing company's claim that the COVID-19 "pandemic is over" in a northern Alberta community could lull residents into a false sense of security, says an infectious diseases expert.

More than 1,200 people in the hamlet of La Crete, 700 kilometres northwest of Edmonton, paid $100 each in mid-December to have their blood tested for antibodies by Ichor Blood Services, a private lab specimen collection company based in Calgary.

The tests found antibodies in most of the 991 unvaccinated individuals who were tested.

Ichor CEO Mike Kuzmickas said he believes the results show La Crete is relatively safe from COVID-19.

"The pandemic is over in La Crete; they have reached herd immunity," Kuzmickas told CBC News in an email last month.

"We had 89 per cent of the unvaccinated population up there test positive for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein antibody, which would indicate that they've seen the virus, they've developed some level of cellular immunity, and they're kind of good to go," he said in a follow-up interview from Mexico, where he is spending the winter with his family.

"They've developed underlying T-cell memory and they don't have to worry about it."

Kuzmickas is a mechanical engineer without training or expertise in epidemiology, virology or vaccines. He said he is interpreting the data the best he can.

DOES PRIOR INFECTION PROVIDE IMMUNITY?

Experts say it isn't clear that immunity acquired from previous COVID-19 infection protects people against re-infection, especially with the new Omicron variant.

"If you roughly consider post-infection immunity as being kind of like a single dose of vaccine, these people [in La Crete] are still vulnerable to infection and they still could be vulnerable to severe outcomes as well," said Dr. Lynora Saxinger, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of Alberta.

Earlier in the pandemic, reinfection seemed rare, Saxinger said. But she said it is now clear that it is common, especially with the Omicron variant, which is much more infectious and seems to be better at evading vaccines.

"Infection alone is not as good protection as two doses of vaccine at the best of times," she said. "And certainly now it looks like three doses of vaccine are really required for good protection against this variant. So I don't think this is really relevant anymore."

ANTIBODY LEVEL FOR COVID-19 IMMUNITY UNKNOWN

The hamlet of La Crete is part of a northwest health region that includes about 25,000 people. It has the lowest immunization rate in Alberta, with just 35 per cent of its eligible population immunized with two doses.

The expansive region is home to many diverse communities, but La Crete has made headlines during the pandemic for its resistance to observing public health measures. La Crete's population is about 3,500, with 8,000 more in the surrounding area.

Ichor Blood Services was engaged to do testing by the La Crete Chamber of Commerce. The company used a semi-quantitative spike protein antibody test developed by the Rochester, Minn.-based Mayo Clinic.

The voluntary testing was advertised by the chamber. Residents were asked to sign up and bring payment of $100 cash to their appointments, according to the chamber's social media posts.

Kuzmickas shared the results of the testing with CBC.

Of 1,219 tests completed, 991 people said they were unvaccinated, 203 declined to disclose their vaccination status and 19 said they had been vaccinated. Six people said they had been vaccinated and also infected with the virus.

Kuzmickas said the test measures antibodies on a scale from zero to 250 units per millilitre. He said that while levels can be higher than 250, his understanding is that once a result is over 250, the difference in protection is negligible.

Among the 991 people who were unvaccinated, the tests showed 36 per cent had antibody levels of 250 or higher, 53 per cent had levels up to 250, and 11 per cent had no antibodies.

Antibody levels of 250 or better were found in 28 per cent of the 203 people who didn't disclose their status.

The results showed that 95 per cent of the 19 vaccinated people had antibody levels of 250 or higher.

The 250-or-better result was also found in five of the six people (83 per cent) who had been both infected and vaccinated.

Private mobile lab offering blood testing services for COVID-19 antibodies

In an emailed statement, a Mayo Clinic spokesperson confirmed that like all commercially available tests, theirs is used to determine whether or not a person has developed an antibody response to COVID-19.

"There is no official 'immunity threshold' that has been established or officially endorsed to indicate that an individual is 'immune' to re-infection or disease," Suzanne Ferguson said in an email.

Discussing the test results, Kuzmickas said his lab has not determined what level of antibodies make a person immune to COVID-19 infection.

Saxinger said it's unclear what can be learned from the results provided by Ichor Blood Services.

She said most antibody tests used in research she has reviewed have been quantitative tests where a lot of work has been done to determine what level of antibodies would create immunity. But with Omicron, that level is changing, she said.

"I really don't think this shows what it sounds like they're saying it shows," Saxinger said of Ichor's test results.

She said recent evidence from the United Kingdom shows that protection from infection by a prior infection was just 20 per cent.

Saxinger said because the testing was voluntary and paid for by participants, it draws into question any conclusions that can be drawn about the broader community's population.

When asked what he told people in La Crete about the results, Kuzmickas said he just shared the results and told the community that in Ichor's opinion it was good news.

"That's great, you're not nearly in as vulnerable position as you thought. And we left it there. We're not providing medical advice. We're not telling them to disobey public health guidance," he said.

Kuzmickas said he believes the results show that the unvaccinated population in the area largely has some level of immunity.

MOST UNVACCINATED ALBERTANS HAVE NO IMMUNITY

Albertans don't generally have access to serology testing for COVID-19 antibodies through their physicians.

However, the province is using serology testing to assess how many Albertans have been exposed to COVID-19, said Grady Semmens, a spokesperson for Alberta Precision Laboratories.

In some cases, data is used to inform medical treatment decisions, but the test must be ordered by a physician and approved by provincial virology experts.

"At this time, there is a lack of evidence on whether having antibodies to COVID-19 means you are protected against reinfection with COVID-19 and if so, how long that protection would last," Semmens said in an email.

"This is especially true with newer strains of the virus such as the Omicron variant."

Immunized people are less likely to be seriously ill or be hospitalized than those who are unvaccinated, and Kuzmickas's belief about the unvaccinated population in the La Crete area having immunity doesn't align with the province's own serology testing.

During its last regular survey of blood samples in early October, Alberta Health found that about 40 per cent of those who were not vaccinated had detectable antibodies, which means the majority of unimmunized Albertans had no evidence of an immune response from past infection, spokesperson Christa Jubinville said in an email.

The spread of the Omicron variant is putting our health-care system at risk, and we need to both maximize vaccine coverage and follow public health measures to protect our communities," Jubinville said.

She said infection plus vaccination provides much better protection than infection alone.

"With Omicron, there is an increased risk of re-infection in those who have previously had COVID, meaning it is even more important to be vaccinated, including after infection."

Still, Kuzmickas thinks it's time for provincial officials to rethink public health restrictions and to factor immunity through infection into requirements for proof of immunization.

"It's been two years. There needs to be a different approach to how to get out of this pandemic because what we're doing is a repeating cycle that's not working," he said.

Kuzmickas said that in the wake of the La Crete chamber sharing test results, half a dozen other municipalities have reached out to Ichor about group testing.

Saxinger recommends caution for any community considering setting up serology testing for COVID-19 antibodies.

"I don't think they should be spending money on that until they get an idea of what those numbers actually mean," she said. "I think it might actually create a false sense of security, which may not be the best idea right now."


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The Bravo Sierra 'money quotes' from the gubmint lackey (ie: Dr. Lynora Saxinger, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of Alberta.: "If you roughly consider post-infection immunity as being kind of like a single dose of vaccine, these people [in La Crete] are still vulnerable to infection and they still could be vulnerable to severe outcomes as well, Infection alone is not as good protection as two doses of vaccine at the best of times," she said. "And certainly now it looks like three doses of vaccine are really required for good protection against this variant. So I don't think this is really relevant anymore."
1 posted on 01/09/2022 2:14:33 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

The vaccine fanatics are everywhere

and always trying to stoke the fear!!


2 posted on 01/09/2022 2:18:58 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

This is obviously untrue. How can we possibly manipulate and control people if this were true? Therefore it is irrelevant. Hide in your houses, and take your vaxxes


3 posted on 01/09/2022 2:21:56 PM PST by gracefullyparanoid
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

University of California/San Francisco’s Infectious Disease associate division chief, Dr. Monica Gandhi, joined the chorus of skeptics who say that repeat vaccinations would not produce the right type of protections, saying that it “trains your immune system wrong.”

“It doesn’t train your immune system to recognize a variant,” Ghandi told ABC 7. “It trains your immune system to recognize the old ancestral strain that the shots are made of. That concept is the ‘original antigenic sin,’ is what they call it, is what immunologists are expressing concern of.”

“If we boost, let’s boost with a better vaccine, not the one against the original strain of the virus that emerged,” she argued.

She also remained hesitant over a push for more vaccines from a pharmaceutical company rather than health officials.

“I think it’s hard to have a CEO dictate our policy and companies, who stand to make money for it,” Gandhi said.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/moderna-ceo-second-covid-booster-doctors-arent-convinced


4 posted on 01/09/2022 2:23:30 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Nietzsche: “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything the State has. It was stolen!”)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

REMAIN FEARFUL


5 posted on 01/09/2022 2:24:45 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

How else are they going to keep their control over people to keep getting them injected? They have to keep the covid lie going. Calling it a pandemic is ridiculous.


6 posted on 01/09/2022 2:25:11 PM PST by Trillian
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

What untrue assertions by the government person.

It’s shocking, but shouldn’t be by now.

“A private blood-testing company’s claim that the COVID-19 “pandemic is over” in a northern Alberta community could lull residents into a false sense of security, says an infectious diseases expert.”

In other words it can never be over.


7 posted on 01/09/2022 2:25:21 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

MUST WATCH: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT


8 posted on 01/09/2022 2:26:01 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Indeed, as I e been telling my friends who rush out to get the latest booster - - “Why are you getting a booster for a virus that has mutated in such a way that the booster you’ve just taken is not even valid anymore?”


9 posted on 01/09/2022 2:27:39 PM PST by atc23 (The Matriarchal Society we embrace has led to masks and mandates and the cult of "safety")
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Jim, the Covid is dead.

Its the same in 3rd world countries with minimal vax.. They have achieved immunity from infection.


10 posted on 01/09/2022 2:29:47 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: gracefullyparanoid

Except True-dolt is trying to get rid of personal homes. GouvFedCan is introducing a WESLTH tax on properties valued over &1 million CDN. First, mortgage interest on PERSONAL residence is NOT tax deductible in PRC (Politically Repressive Canada), so you pay AFTER TAX INCOME to buy a house. In Toronto or Vancouver, $1 million CDN MAY get you a 1 bedroom condo, if you are lucky.

It is with good reason that I call the country that occupies Alberta, the PRC, or Kanadahar!


11 posted on 01/09/2022 2:38:03 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: SpaceBar

SHUT UP SND PAY YOUR TAXES!


12 posted on 01/09/2022 2:38:25 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“Kuzmickas is a mechanical engineer without training or expertise in Kuzmickas is a mechanical engineer without training or expertise in epidemiology, virology or vaccines”

That gnome Fauxcy IS a Quack with extensive training and experience in epidemiology, virology and vaccines, but gets The Science wrong almost every time.

Who to believe?


13 posted on 01/09/2022 2:42:26 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“She [without evidence] said infection plus vaccination provides much better protection than infection alone. “


14 posted on 01/09/2022 2:45:34 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
N O . L U L L I N G . P E R M I T E D

during the hours of 00:00:00 - 23:59:59

Lulling is punishable by fines of up to $1,000,000.00,
or house arrest for months on end.

Don't lull! If you can't stop for yourself, please
do it for family, friends, neighbors,
and your community.


15 posted on 01/09/2022 2:45:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegience to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“Saxinger said it’s unclear what can be learned from the results provided by Ichor Blood Services. “

Uh, Herd Immunity is indigenous in the Community?


16 posted on 01/09/2022 2:52:10 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: DoughtyOne

Life
Under
Limitless
Lockdowns


17 posted on 01/09/2022 2:52:40 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: P.O.E.

That’s about it.

That LULL is allowed.


18 posted on 01/09/2022 2:53:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegience to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: Paladin2

Noooooooooo. Only 2, no 3, I mean 4 jabs can maybe end it. We’ll let you know when, I mean if, yeah, if, a 5th jab is needed.


19 posted on 01/09/2022 3:08:08 PM PST by matt04 ( )
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To: Paladin2

Fauci is a bureaucrat. Period.


20 posted on 01/09/2022 4:05:33 PM PST by JennysCool ("It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain)
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