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SCOTUS Oral Argument Audio (Vaccine Mandates) LIVE THREAD [2nd case starts at reply 279]
SCOTUS ^ | 01/07/2022 | SCOTUS

Posted on 01/07/2022 6:16:44 AM PST by TexasGurl24

Two cases will be argued today beginning at 10.

National Federation of Independent Business v. Department of Labor (OSHA Mandate)

and Biden v. Missouri (Healthcare mandate)

Audio here:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/live.aspx


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cms; covid; healthcare; ivermectin; mandates; osha; scotus; vaccine; wuhanflu
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261 posted on 01/07/2022 9:01:42 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Fury

He won’t bet. People like him like to leave droppings in a thread and then jet.

I’m really sick of that kind of doomer trash.

The mandate may well be upheld, but it won’t be 9-0. There is no reason for people to hit and run doom post like that.


262 posted on 01/07/2022 9:02:44 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: Alberta's Child
You've already surrendered much of your freedom to the employer, and now we're learning how much autonomy and power the employer has surrendered to OSHA.

That's the beauty of fascism. Hitler: "Hey, I didn't throw you into an oven, the I.G. Farben company did."

263 posted on 01/07/2022 9:03:57 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: TexasGurl24

bfl


264 posted on 01/07/2022 9:04:45 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Fury

As I said earlier, it’s a low-confidence prediction, I wouldn’t risk a nickel on it.


265 posted on 01/07/2022 9:05:26 AM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: Sirius Lee
"That's the beauty of fascism. Hitler: 'Hey, I didn't throw you into an oven, the I.G. Farben company did.'"

Why am I seeing this as a scene in a Mel Brooks' comedy? ;-)

266 posted on 01/07/2022 9:05:51 AM PST by Frank Drebin (And don't ever let me catch you guys in America!)
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To: Antoninus

That fat slob, Kagan, is both a compulsive liar and a complete fool.


267 posted on 01/07/2022 9:07:27 AM PST by JME_FAN (MOLON LABE!)
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To: janetjanet998

Barrett just called them jabs lol


268 posted on 01/07/2022 9:07:40 AM PST by rainee (Trump won! )
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To: All

I’ll lay out some predictions based on listening to the arguments rather than doom posting. These are a range.

45% 5-4 OSHA mandate is overturned. (Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito and Thomas)

15% 6-3 OSHA mandate is overturned. (Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito, Roberts and Thomas)

30% 5-4 OSHA mandate is upheld. (Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor, Roberts, and 1 of Barrett or Kavanaugh)

10% 6-3 OSHA mandate is upheld. (Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor, Roberts, Barrett, Kavanaugh).


269 posted on 01/07/2022 9:08:01 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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I don’t know if Barrett is ignorant, but OSHA regular rule is NOW open for notice and comment. This is running in parallel with the ETS. Same protocl to the companies, no change there, but the regulation is there without the grave danger threshold.

Barrett kept asking “when does the emergency expire,” but ETS have a 6 month life, by statute. Whther or not the emergency expires, the ETS expires as a matter of statutory law.


270 posted on 01/07/2022 9:09:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Pollard

Why, under the Consitution, should the people’s representatives not resolve the vaccine mandate issue?


Simple answer. They want you to do the dirty work.

Using the Weasel logic of Roberts this should be pushed back to congress...


271 posted on 01/07/2022 9:09:24 AM PST by patriotspride (Third generation Vet. Never forget the true cost of freedom)
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To: TexasGurl24

I’ll lay 100% odds that they will do whatever Deep State tells them to do.


272 posted on 01/07/2022 9:09:36 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: Cboldt
Barrett kept asking “when does the emergency expire,” but ETS have a 6 month life, by statute. Whther or not the emergency expires, the ETS expires as a matter of statutory law.

One would think she was at least advised of this by her clerks and that she knew. What a disappointment she's turning out to be.

273 posted on 01/07/2022 9:10:17 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: redgolum
Sotomayor has to be the most incredibly constitutionally ignorant skull of mush I've ever heard.

Hey justices, you're all showing your Peter Strozk-like loathsome attitude of we, the Walmart stinking public.

274 posted on 01/07/2022 9:10:33 AM PST by blackdog (Jab Dodger. )
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To: blackdog

Is that it? The hearing’s over??


275 posted on 01/07/2022 9:11:31 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: TexasGurl24

I think you are overly optimistic.

80%, mandate becomes authorized and permeant.
10% Mandate is authorized, but allowed to expire.
10% it is overturned.

Bet is $25 donation to FR, which I will put in shortly .


276 posted on 01/07/2022 9:11:50 AM PST by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: usconservative

Yes. Now the Medicaid mandate argument.


277 posted on 01/07/2022 9:12:56 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24
I missed all but the last 10 minutes due to a videoconference for work. Damn.

Based on posts here, looks like the USSC is going to cave to the Communist bastards...

278 posted on 01/07/2022 9:13:42 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

The oral argument in the OSHA cases is over. Now starting oral argument for the CMS cases, CMS having jurisdiction over Medicare providers.


279 posted on 01/07/2022 9:13:54 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: TexasGurl24
"Well Doctor Franklin, what have we got a republic or a monarchy?"

"A republic, madam, if you can keep it."

We await the answer to this question once more, today.

280 posted on 01/07/2022 9:14:29 AM PST by Frank Drebin (And don't ever let me catch you guys in America!)
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