Posted on 12/30/2021 2:26:12 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
vikingd00d wrote: “Firstly the freedom of religion does not require membership in an organized church. Secondly, you can’t just declare all vaccines the same, as some are made from the corpses of murdered children. Thirdly, the medical history of a patient is somewhat irrelevant since beliefs can change over time.”
We are not discussing freedom of religion, we are discussing freedom of religion as an excuse to disobey a lawful order.
None of these vaccines “are made from the corpses of murdered children.”
When one takes the Oath of Office as a soldier/airman/marine one gives up some of their freedoms. If one later discovers they cannot live up to that pledge, then they should be discharged.
Let’s be honest: The vast majority of claims for religious exemptions are nothing but an excuse to avoid vaccination. Those claiming religion as a reason should have to justify that claim. Do they attend a church? Does that church have a policy on vaccinations? Have they every taken other vaccinations without claiming a religious exemption.
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Got any stats on your claim? Or just an opinion...
As you have been an ardent pro-vaccine poster here, you likely don’t really know what you are talking about...
My family member had to fill out extensive paperwork to justify their Religious Exemption request against an Unconstitutional Mandate. They don’t know who has read their information or who will read it; and yes, they had to indicate if they had taken other vaccines as well as dozens of other pharmaceuticals—prescription and over the counter.
You sound much like the intrusive Fascist Compliance Review Committee my family member is dealing with—perhaps you are on the committee because your post is almost verbatim what they demanded my family member submit...and the request still is “status pending” with one-day until termination...tho after multiple attempts to find out status, finally today they have been told to report due to worker shortage but still pending. They have been waiting for 3 months.
And you, like the company feels compelled to decide if my family member’s faith is worthy of an exemption...?You know who is allowed to judge their faith? That would be God—not you nor this employer. Frankly, they should be able to belong to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, celebrate Festivus and still get an exemption. Funny how employers are not supposed to discriminate on basis of race, sex, sexual orientation, age, country of origin, or ironically religion, yet what you state, along with this employer are doing just that.
Before spouting off like this against those who are seeking a R.E. and don’t feel they should be compelled by an Unconstitutional mandate, perhaps you should take a second look at your position.
What is UNR?
Freedom56v2 wrote: “Before spouting off like this against those who are seeking a R.E. and don’t feel they should be compelled by an Unconstitutional mandate, perhaps you should take a second look at your position.”
No, you’re the one who needs a second look. Once you conflate vaccination with an Unconstitutional mandate, you have essentially admitted that your opposition is on the mandate and not religion.
Then your claim that the religion of should justify a religious objection. Can you provide proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster objects to vaccination or are you just making stuff up to justify no vaccination?
Essentially, these ‘religious objections’ are the same as a claim for conscientious objector status which must be justified.
Except this thread is not about the military, it is about nursing students.
Sounds like you're getting your threads mixed up Like this one
>>We are not discussing freedom of religion, we are discussing freedom of religion as an excuse to disobey a lawful order.
No, we’re discussing whether an employer can order someone to act against their religious convictions and discriminate against them if they refuse.
Lets be honest. You have no idea if what you said is true or not
University of Nevada, Reno
No, you’re the one who needs a second look. Once you conflate vaccination with an Unconstitutional mandate, you have essentially admitted that your opposition is on the mandate and not religion.
Then your claim that the religion of should justify a religious objection. Can you provide proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster objects to vaccination or are you just making stuff up to justify no vaccination?
Essentially, these ‘religious objections’ are the same as a claim for conscientious objector status which must be justified.
Seriously?????
Are you saying a person of faith cannot sincerely be against mandates and the jabs based on their faith if they also believe the mandates are Unconstitutional??? Why not??? I do—I am a person of faith and a person who believes in the Constitution and that the mandates are UnConstitutional. I am pretty sure there are plenty of us here on FR BTW.
However, I never mentioned that as being the position of my family member who is seeking the exemption. Actually, the family member did not mention Constitutionality in their R.E. They mentioned things related to their faith, Body being God’s temple—Jesus is a healer, etc...positions of faith that are in the Bible? Read it? However, they also feel the mandated jabs are Unconstitutional. Again, seriously? So what!
And guess you missed that the family member had to turn in pages of justification...nothing about the Constitution—all about their faith, their beliefs, are they pro-life? how beliefs play out in their daily life, what drugs they have used, etc...all things that would never be asked in a job interview.
I don’t have to follow what any pastor or denomination says if it does not align with what I read in the Bible and where the Holy Spirit leads—I have attended many churches over the years and have occasionally disagreed with my pastors—just like I disagree with the Pope on his interpretations of God’s Word....But I don’t depend on a pastor or a denomination for saving grace—I follow the Lord and what I read in the Bible. Nor do I answer to you or employers regarding my faith, it is not for you or employer to judge.
And again, you misunderstood. It is not about Religion—which is why I noted Flying Spaghetti Monster Church...Point is I don’t care whether or not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster supports vaccines. And an employer should not because faith and beliefs don’t have to be contingent on denomination...Ex. There are many good Catholics who vehemently disagree with some of the global environmentalism and pro-vax stance the Pope is pushing...and you are saying they are not allowed to have a R.E.? Uh no.
I am not making stuff up...and I really resent that comment...Again, I didn’t say I follow the CFSM, I just don’t think it should matter whether I am Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Charismatic, Buddhist, Hindu, or Muslim. It is about faith—not denomination. I think the exemption would be better named “Faith” Exemptions.
As the expression goes: Going to church on Sunday does not make a person a Christian any more than standing in the garage on Sunday makes them a car. It is about faith, a relationship with God, and a daily walk—not church attendance/denomination.
Sorry DugwayDuke, I don’t think you are able to comprehend what I am saying...I just find it bad form to diss people including Fellow Freepers who are people of faith implying they are frauds.
Must feel odd to be on same side as Brandon and his UnConstitutional Regime...
Sooo Done. Have nice evening
This explains a lot:
How much does the CEO of Cleveland Clinic make?
$2,177,855: Tomislav Mihaljevic, Chief Executive Officer CCAD. $2,069,898:
Freedom56v2 wrote: “Are you saying a person of faith cannot sincerely be against mandates and the jabs based on their faith if they also believe the mandates are Unconstitutional???”
I’m saying that it is quite the coincidence that those who were opposed to this vaccine prior to the mandate suddenly developed religion after the mandate. Very similar to those who discovered they were conscientious objectors because of their religion after they received a draft notice.
Do you see the difference between those who truly have religious objections and those who are hiding behind religion to escape the consequences of their refusal to vaccinate?
An example would be those who claim the vaccines are manufactured from aborted babies which simply isn’t true but gives the patina of religion.
Sorry, waste of time. I said done.
To all those who actually care about Freedom and Liberty (”all” means the Covidian Pro-Vaxers need not reply), does anyone have an update on this case about Clinical Schools in FLORIDA GRANT ZERO RE OR MED EXEMPTIONS?
I thought Florida is a sanctuary state of sorts...
Yet, I just read where a Judge in Florida is denying Ivermectin request for a family member on Vent for 28 days with 5% chance of survival...In Florida?!?!
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