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The largest city in the U.S. bans natural gas in new buildings
NPR ^ | 12/15/2021 | DEEPA SHIVARAM

Posted on 12/15/2021 7:47:40 PM PST by MAGA2017

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To: Jane Long

If the whole city were heated that way you would have blackouts and people freezing in the dark. This is insanity.

They are shutting down Indian Point. They blocked power lines from Quebec. Where do they think the power is going to come from? On top of that, electric heat is the most expensive of all.


21 posted on 12/15/2021 8:02:02 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: MAGA2017

I have a question...

What idiot is building new houses in NYC???


22 posted on 12/15/2021 8:02:11 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: MAGA2017

Most cooks hate electricity.


23 posted on 12/15/2021 8:02:57 PM PST by alternatives?
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To: Chickensoup
I know. And every one in NH and ME is installing them

Crazy. Room electric heaters are fine for emergencies (e.g. furnace is out). You can even use hydroheat with a large electric water heater, geo-thermal if building new, electric radiators for apartments (hotels often do that) . . . but not heat pumps up north. We have a heat pump, but we are in Phoenix, different rules. (I still miss having a basement.)
24 posted on 12/15/2021 8:04:55 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("There are only men and women."-- George Gilder, Sexual Suicide, 1973)
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To: MAGA2017

You fools up there in that city put those fools in office and in place. Deal with it. Have a nice cold day.. Wear your mask...


25 posted on 12/15/2021 8:05:40 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: rxh4n1

In 1975 my wife, son and I lived in England for 364 days right before I got out of the AF. The house we lived in had only electric baseboard heating all over the house. I only made enough money to run the heater in my baby son’s room and me and my wife did without. It was a very unpleasant winter...


26 posted on 12/15/2021 8:09:38 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Dr. Sivana

Depends on the building, depends on the heatpump.

My heatpump has NO trouble keeping my house at 68F when it’s 20F out. No aux heat, I have it disabled (except for defrost, aux heat will run during a defrost cycle).

In fact, that same heatpump, a builder-grade 4-ton Trane unit, was able to maintain my 3300 square foot house at 60F when it was 10F outside. It was running pretty much continuously, but I wasn’t going to turn on the aux heat (and those temperatures are very rare here, it usually doesn’t go much below 20F).

There are no natural gas lines where I live and the only other options are heating oil or propane.

A heatpump is cheaper to run than either of those. If the aux heat kicks in, it’s about breakeven.


27 posted on 12/15/2021 8:11:07 PM PST by brianl703
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To: Dr. Sivana

15 years ago, I moved to NC, and they had the coldest winter in like 30 years. I was in corporate housing with my wife. It was so cold on the inside that we slept with multiple blankets and long johns. When I asked about it, they said all of the apartments had heat pumps and that was the best that they could do.


28 posted on 12/15/2021 8:11:47 PM PST by jrestrepo (Now I am an insurgent. Starve the beast (any way possible) )
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To: Dr. Sivana

I know. Many folks are combining them with a solar power array installation in hopes of making seamless systems.

Do you know what little use solar power is for 6 months in Northern New england?

Damned those mandated subsidies!


29 posted on 12/15/2021 8:12:41 PM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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To: MAGA2017

problem is, the stooopid ban might have to go away, but if no provision for gas was organic to the design plans, good luck retrofitting...


30 posted on 12/15/2021 8:13:20 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Chickensoup
Do you know what little use solar power is for 6 months in Northern New England?

Oh, I know. Not to mention cloudy days and rainy days. I grew up in Connecticut.
31 posted on 12/15/2021 8:14:26 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("There are only men and women."-- George Gilder, Sexual Suicide, 1973)
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To: MAGA2017

electricity produces more carbon, idiots. They are increasing demand for power which has to be generated far away burning coal or natural gas then suffer the cost of that power loss through the distribution center.

electricity would only be low carbon with superconductors and expensive batteries on the grid with massive solar and wind farms.


32 posted on 12/15/2021 8:19:06 PM PST by dila813
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To: jrestrepo

If the construction quality in NC is anything like what I’ve seen in VA:

1)They probably forgot to install insulation in one or more places.

2)They didn’t bother to seal up any of the gaps and cracks in the building.

So what you end up with is a poorly insulated, drafty piece of crap.

No heatpump works well in that situation, and a gas furnace will just run longer and cost more.


33 posted on 12/15/2021 8:19:06 PM PST by brianl703
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To: MAGA2017

As Ralph Klein once said about idiot Easterners (Eastern Canadians, that is),”Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark!”

Same sentiment to idiot NYC Councilors.

(The Canadian government under Pierre Trudeau (aka Rocky Waterhole) had instituted legislation that destroyed the energy business in Alberta. Alberta was considering closing all O&G pipelines going to Eastern Canada, in response. Ralph Klein was then Calgary’s Mayor when he spoke those words. Our current ‘Mare’ Gondek, and previous ‘Mare’, Naheed Nenshi, aren’t even worthy to polish Ralph Klein’s boots! Both are the result of Rocky Waterhole’s opening up of the immigration laws in the ‘70s and 80s.)


34 posted on 12/15/2021 8:19:14 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: MAGA2017

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35 posted on 12/15/2021 8:20:59 PM PST by sauropod (Meanie Butt Daddy - No you can't)
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To: jrestrepo

Though I am wondering why the aux heat for the heat pump didn’t turn on when it couldn’t keep up. Perhaps that was jacked up too?


36 posted on 12/15/2021 8:21:30 PM PST by brianl703
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To: MAGA2017

And electric sucks for home stovetop cooking. Gas is far better. All these New York foodies are getting just what they deserve with their votes.

“Govern me harder daddy!”


37 posted on 12/15/2021 8:22:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: Dr. Sivana

We have huge banks of solar arrays being built in every available Hayfield.

The poisonous chemicals in the panels? Uhhuh.

The farmers say confidently that they have a contract that the companies will pick up and discard properly used played out panels.

I keep thinking that they won’t be able to get blood out of stones of bankrupt companies when the subsidies run out. Nevermind the costs of picking up the mess of windstorm damaged and smashed solar panels and the poison they would spew.


38 posted on 12/15/2021 8:28:59 PM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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To: AZJeep

Just shows how much you know. NYC is gonna build a huge solar farm in Central Park... that’ll power up 8 million people. they get at least a full week of sun each winter.


39 posted on 12/15/2021 8:29:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: MAGA2017
This isn't about the environment, this is about current building owners slamming the door behind them to prevent competition.

Restrict building and the current owners can raise prices.

New York City - where corruption reigns.

40 posted on 12/15/2021 8:30:34 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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