Posted on 12/08/2021 6:50:02 PM PST by elpadre
So Russian President Vladimir Putin, by himself, and United States President Joe Biden, surrounded by aides, finally had their secret video link conference for two hours and two minutes – with translators placed in different rooms.
That was their first serious exchange since they met in person in Geneva last June – the first Russia-US summit since 2018. For global public opinion, led to believe a “war” in Ukraine was all but imminent, what’s left is essentially a torrent of spin.
So let’s start with a simple exercise focusing on the key issue of the video link – Ukraine – contrasting the White House and Kremlin versions of what transpired.
The White House: Biden made it “clear” to Putin that the US and allies will respond with “decisive economic and other measures” to a military escalation in Ukraine. At the same time, Biden called on Putin to de-escalate around Ukraine and “return to diplomacy.”
Kremlin: Putin offered Biden to nullify all restrictions on the functioning of diplomatic missions. He remarked that cooperation between Russia and the US is still in an “unsatisfactory” state.
He urged the US not to shift “responsibility on the shoulders of Russia” for the escalation of the situation around Ukraine.
The White House: The US will expand military aid to Ukraine if Russia takes steps against it.
Kremlin: Putin told Biden that Russia is interested in obtaining legally fixed guarantees excluding NATO’s eastward expansion and the deployment of offensive strike systems in Russia’s neighboring countries.
(Excerpt) Read more at asiatimes.com ...
Biden tells Putin he just got his butt wiped. 😆
100%
not out of the realm of possibility... 8^)
Putin responds: So did I. By a nubile secretute (Russian slang for a secretary who puts out).
Joe Biden has made a significant diplomatic concession to Moscow designed to prevent an invasion of Ukraine, signalling he wants to convene meetings between Nato allies and Russia to discuss Vladimir Putin’s grievances with the transatlantic security pact.
Speaking on Wednesday, a day after he held a bilateral call with Russia’s leader, the US president said he hoped to announce high-level talks by Friday “to discuss the future of Russia’s concerns relative to Nato writ large”.
Joe Biden doesn’t know what day it is. He does not control his bowels much less the military and his handlers/ puppet masters know it. Any order to the military to move into Ukraine or anywhere else will be ignored. Right now the Co-Comms are running the military and they aren’t taking orders from Joe or Austin.
Meaningless to USA, of top level importance to Russia.
It would guarantee an invasion, which would be successful. See UK guarantee to Poland 1939.
Let's go, Brandon.
Let’s see...
170,000 troops, two armored divisions, forward deployment of aircraft, MASH and other logistics battalions...
Methinks that’s serious stuff.
5.56mm
me-thinks a real-life chess game is in progress. During a winter-time lull, we’ll see what kind of moves the players will make.
Yes. Any ruler of the Rus, be he Kagan, Prince, Czar, General Secretary, or whatever title Putin has this week, is absolutely willing to risk, and possibly willing to start, a war, to keep Kiev and the Little Russians from becoming part of a hostile European military alliance. That is a fact, upon which legality, fairness or justice have no bearing. The USA needs to understand that before it decides to act.
I certainly agree that no one has made the case that the USA should risk war to add Ukraine to NATO. And the administration that LESS THAN 90 DAYS AGO walked away from military conflict with THE TALIBAN should assume that Putin will assume they are bluffing.
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