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Police: Orange City woman fatally shot after pointing gun at man
The Daytona Beach Journal ^ | November 22, 2021 | Patricio G. Balona

Posted on 11/27/2021 3:45:54 AM PST by marktwain

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To: cherry

If I witnessed a hit and run you can be damn certain I’d be following and calling the police. “She felt threatened” because she knew her a $$ wasn’t getting away with a malicious intentional hit and run as she had planned.


21 posted on 11/27/2021 5:14:21 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: USS Alaska

I agree in that the gun is not for ‘threatening’ but only for needed defense, however, your comment is not a hard rule. Situations can change in an instant, threats can retreat. You can go from justified shooting to not safe or justified in fractions of seconds.


22 posted on 11/27/2021 5:23:49 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: joma89

This woman seems to have only wanted to use the weapon to scare the people who followed her home after she committed a crime.

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My thoughts exactly, she had the gun to threaten people with. A tragic learning experience for her.


23 posted on 11/27/2021 5:29:25 AM PST by Graybeard58 (The China virus doesn't scare me, Venezuelaism does.)
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To: marktwain
Morales intentionally struck Derr's motorcycle, but because the motorcycle was moving, Derr was not injured,

Huh? So it is safer for the motorcyclist to hit him while motorcycle is moving? I could take a week to figure out the physics on that.

24 posted on 11/27/2021 5:33:12 AM PST by KarlInOhio ("Anti-fascist" is from the official name of the Berlin Wall: Anti-fascist Protection Barrier.)
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To: Jarhead9297
If I witnessed a hit and run you can be damn certain I’d be following and calling the police.

Thank you for doing that. I was on the wrong end of a hit and run once. Someone followed the other driver and got the description of the van and most of the plate number so the other driver was caught by that night. Without that she would have probably not been caught.

25 posted on 11/27/2021 5:37:50 AM PST by KarlInOhio ("Anti-fascist" is from the official name of the Berlin Wall: Anti-fascist Protection Barrier.)
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To: marktwain

It just goes to show that when reality encroaches into your fantasy world, you just might die.


26 posted on 11/27/2021 5:41:03 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: cherry

It was hit and run. The victim and witnesses followed her. That’s really not that unusual.


27 posted on 11/27/2021 5:42:48 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: marktwain

Yep, from this article this seems to be what happened..

Is thr article accurate? Who knows.

But if the witnesses are unknown to each other and the cyclist, then this seems like what happened.

Howeve I hope the police at least do some background investigations to confirm those claims


28 posted on 11/27/2021 5:44:27 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: marktwain

When interviewed after the fact, Derr claimed the Morales use of a gun was not justified. “I don’t even have a library card much less overdue books”


29 posted on 11/27/2021 5:45:09 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Free Republic has gone to hell is a Covid handbasket)
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To: joma89

Like I posted earlier. Yes based on this report that is what happened.. however I hope the police at least do a preliminary investigation to ensure the witnesses were indeed unknown to each other and the motorcyclist.

However yes, threatening someone with a firearm invites return fire.


30 posted on 11/27/2021 5:47:32 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: marktwain

But they followed her home.
That was not necessary.
They were angry at her.
Rightfully or not….
Simply giving police her license and description and/or waiting for police from a safe distance from her home should have been sufficient.


31 posted on 11/27/2021 6:03:33 AM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: marktwain

According to that reporter, “Autopsy reports on her pregnancy were inconclusive.”

Did I miss something there?


32 posted on 11/27/2021 6:10:32 AM PST by clockwise
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Don't know.

The only source for the "pregnancy" info was her mother.

Lots of possibilities for error or deliberate misinformation.

33 posted on 11/27/2021 6:29:58 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: cherry

She deliberately ran into the biker then fled the scene. Biker and 2 witnesses tried to get her to pull over and waist for the cops. She fled to her house then confronted the witnesses by the street, pulled a gun and got shot.
Must be one of them newbie gun owners.


34 posted on 11/27/2021 6:31:00 AM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: marktwain

In Florida it is against the law to openly reveal a pistol unless your life or property is being threatened.

Bad move by librarian, after bad move of road rage swerving into a biker. Either dumb not knowing law or outa-control with rage. She pulled a weapon on a man who appeared unarmed.

Any of these will get you dead.


35 posted on 11/27/2021 6:37:05 AM PST by Arlis
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To: USS Alaska

don’t play “pretend cowboy”.

You’re already playing “pretend cowboy” if your choice is to rely on your “quick draw” skill rather than having the gun in your hand when you need it.


36 posted on 11/27/2021 6:38:20 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: marktwain

Sara did not feel threatened or should would have waited inside her house for law enforcement to arrive.

Instead she came out of her house with a firearm. That is a double mistake. She then aimed the firearm at the victim and paid the price for her mistakes.


37 posted on 11/27/2021 6:39:14 AM PST by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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To: marktwain

The overall circumstances, as presented at least, suggest schizophrenia or intoxication.


38 posted on 11/27/2021 6:49:38 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: KarlInOhio

Successful hit and runs are becoming less and less because of people installing drive cams. They easily pick up plate numbers. I once followed a drunk driver until the police arrived. At one point they even pulled into a park and I sat at a large distance but still close enough to hear the drunk yelling profanities at me.


39 posted on 11/27/2021 7:03:42 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: marktwain

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4015506/posts

Some discussion on this already.

Folks ought to know better than to confront someone in a situation such as this.

A person is dead, another killed her, justified or not, those circumstances never cease to exist.

As stated in previous thread on this topic, even if the woman was the initial aggressor/cause of the traffic incident, she left. To follow her home AND confront her wasn’t necessary and as we can see, wise.

It is my opinion that she should have stayed inside her home, awaited the police and let that all shake out.

Also stated in the previous thread on this topic, there may certainly be more to follow as a thorough investigation ensues. It seems that the witnesses/traffic victim came on to her property, FL is a relatively sound state regarding SYG, castle doctrine etc., so there may be some detail regarding who was aggressing whom in the follow-on incident resulting in her death.

If I understand FL law correctly, it is not a crime to possess an open firearm on your own property. But to enter private property armed may be a crime, intent dependent.

We shall see.

Just because he could, didn’t mean he should. I really do not see this much differently than the Arbery case.


40 posted on 11/27/2021 7:04:40 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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