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NYC City Hall Removes 187-Year-Old Statue Of Thomas Jefferson Citing his History as a Slave Owner.
Daily Caller ^ | 11/22/2021 | Taylor Penley

Posted on 11/22/2021 9:46:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The New York City Council Chamber voted to remove a historic statue of former President Thomas Jefferson, citing his history as a slave owner.

The statue, commissioned by a U.S. Navy commodore in 1833, spent 187 years in the City Council’s chambers before being removed from its pedestal Monday, according to the New York Post.

Approximately a dozen Marshall Fine Arts workers surrounded the structure with wooden and foam boards before using a pulley system to lower it into the downstairs rotunda and carrying it out the back door, the Post reported

“Removing a monument without a public conversation about why it’s happening is useless. New Yorkers all need to talk about who we want to honor and why,” Erin Thompson, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said of the removal, according to the outlet.

“Moving this statue doesn’t mean New Yorkers will forget who Thomas Jefferson was — but some of them might learn from the controversy that the man who wrote ‘all men are created equal’ owned over 600 of his fellow humans,” she added.

The vote to remove the structure was split among councilmembers, with some, such as Staten Island Republican Councilman Joe Borelli objecting.

“This is more progressive war on history,” Borelli said, according to New York Daily News.

“Why wasn’t this put on the consent calendar? I thought we were having this big public discussion about monuments. Apparently not,” he continued.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bidenvoters; erinthompson; godsgravesglyphs; joeborelli; johnjaycollege; marshallfinearts; newyork; newyorkcity; nyc; slavery; statenisland; statue; thomasjefferson; trumpwasright
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NYC City Hall Removes 187-Year-Old Statue Of Thomas Jefferson Citing his History as a Slave Owner.

That's funny, because nobody deserves more credit for advancing the abolition movement than Jefferson.

21 posted on 11/23/2021 5:00:39 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: healy61

healy61 wrote:
Next up will be Jefferson’s writings. Just watch.

Well, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence has been under attack my entire 50+ year lifetime.


22 posted on 11/23/2021 6:24:48 AM PST by ro_dreaming ("We seem to have gone from 'We the people' to 'Me, the president' in a scant 8 months." - Me)
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To: DiogenesLamp

what he preached and what he practiced were two entirely different things


23 posted on 11/23/2021 6:46:17 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: SeekAndFind

Jefferson planted the seed within the Declaration of Independence that would grow and destroy slavery.


24 posted on 11/23/2021 7:12:34 AM PST by kanawa ((Securing the 2022/2024 elections is of paramount importance.))
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To: DiogenesLamp

Hmmmm ... and this is you — the guy who was denying that “all men are created equal” applied to slaves — saying that ... interesting ...


25 posted on 11/23/2021 7:17:53 AM PST by x
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To: lewislynn

Lenin: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)


26 posted on 11/23/2021 7:20:32 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)


27 posted on 11/23/2021 7:21:33 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Bull Snipe
what he preached and what he practiced were two entirely different things

This is true and I have pointed it out numerous times, however you cannot deny his statement in the Declaration of Independence led directly to the abolition of slavery in Massachusetts.

He almost singlehandedly greatly accelerated the abolition movement in the US.

Franklin also owned slaves, but he was very instrumental in abolition movement too.

28 posted on 11/23/2021 7:26:32 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: justme4now

https://untappedcities.com/2015/08/21/the-top-ten-secrets-of-nyc-former-slave-market-wall-street/


29 posted on 11/23/2021 7:29:00 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: x
Hmmmm ... and this is you — the guy who was denying that “all men are created equal” applied to slaves — saying that ... interesting ...

Oh, I fully believe that "all men are created equal" I just recognize that at the time it was written, they had no comprehension of it as applying to slaves.

That came later.

I understand that "the past is a foreign country", and I recognize that people of long ago held different views than are what is common nowadays.

30 posted on 11/23/2021 7:30:17 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Grow up New Yorkers.


31 posted on 11/23/2021 7:31:02 AM PST by Vision (Elections are one day. Reject "Chicago" vote harvesting. Election Reform Now. Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kim or an ayatollah could do America a great service by nuking New York city.

New York has deteriorated into an abomination and is a plague on the Republic.


32 posted on 11/23/2021 7:33:57 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Free Republic has gone to hell is a Covid handbasket)
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To: SeekAndFind

Also Jefferson County, Indiana.


33 posted on 11/23/2021 7:49:56 AM PST by rhoda_penmark
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To: SeekAndFind

If they had just changed the statue’s first name to “George”, it would still be there...


34 posted on 11/23/2021 8:46:35 AM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Thanks for the correction.

A rose is still a rose by any other name.

35 posted on 11/23/2021 8:56:06 AM PST by lewislynn (Fox news: the most irrelevant after the fact useless news source...Fake news? try NO news)
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To: lewislynn

When I stayed in the area for a summer three decades ago there were urine stains all over the base of the statue. It’s probably refurbished now. And protected.


36 posted on 11/23/2021 9:04:54 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: DiogenesLamp
If "all men are created equal" didn't apply to slaves when slavery was still an issue, then Jefferson wasn't that much of an anti-slavery influence.

You do have a lot in common with the older Jefferson. He abandoned his opposition to slavery because he didn't want to "unfair" to the slaveowners (and of course his own financial problems played a role in changing his mind).

37 posted on 11/23/2021 9:06:35 AM PST by x
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To: SeekAndFind
In his will, he mentioned her as the daughter of Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba.

Ah, the Chrysler Cordoba, with rich Corinthian leather.

38 posted on 11/23/2021 9:40:13 AM PST by Veggie Todd (Let's go, Brandon!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yes, I can deny that. The Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declares “all men are born free and equal”. This is not the words Jefferson used in the Declaration of Independence. The Massachusetts Supreme Court declared slavery was incompatible with this statement in article 1 of the State’s Constitution and therefore slavery was unconstitutional in the Commonwealth.


39 posted on 11/23/2021 11:45:28 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: x
If "all men are created equal" didn't apply to slaves when slavery was still an issue, then Jefferson wasn't that much of an anti-slavery influence.

It is fair to say Jefferson intended it to apply to slaves too, but the people signing the declaration and the states they represented did not see it that way at the time the Declaration was signed.

As people had time to ponder it, many subsequently decided that it ought to apply to slaves, and this greatly boosted the anti-slavery sentiment in the nation.

Let us try to understand accurately the social dynamics at work at the time.

He abandoned his opposition to slavery because he didn't want to "unfair" to the slaveowners (and of course his own financial problems played a role in changing his mind).

It is not uncommon for upper class elites to want to see principles enforced on everyone but themselves. In modern times, the very same wealthy class complaining about being "carbon neutral" are the same people most like to burn massive amounts of carbon to fuel their lifestyle.

When it comes to real money, principles often take a back seat as they did with Jefferson.

40 posted on 11/23/2021 11:47:13 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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