Posted on 11/22/2021 9:46:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind
That's funny, because nobody deserves more credit for advancing the abolition movement than Jefferson.
healy61 wrote:
Next up will be Jefferson’s writings. Just watch.
Well, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence has been under attack my entire 50+ year lifetime.
what he preached and what he practiced were two entirely different things
Jefferson planted the seed within the Declaration of Independence that would grow and destroy slavery.
Hmmmm ... and this is you — the guy who was denying that “all men are created equal” applied to slaves — saying that ... interesting ...
This is true and I have pointed it out numerous times, however you cannot deny his statement in the Declaration of Independence led directly to the abolition of slavery in Massachusetts.
He almost singlehandedly greatly accelerated the abolition movement in the US.
Franklin also owned slaves, but he was very instrumental in abolition movement too.
Oh, I fully believe that "all men are created equal" I just recognize that at the time it was written, they had no comprehension of it as applying to slaves.
That came later.
I understand that "the past is a foreign country", and I recognize that people of long ago held different views than are what is common nowadays.
Grow up New Yorkers.
Kim or an ayatollah could do America a great service by nuking New York city.
New York has deteriorated into an abomination and is a plague on the Republic.
Also Jefferson County, Indiana.
If they had just changed the statue’s first name to “George”, it would still be there...
A rose is still a rose by any other name.
When I stayed in the area for a summer three decades ago there were urine stains all over the base of the statue. It’s probably refurbished now. And protected.
You do have a lot in common with the older Jefferson. He abandoned his opposition to slavery because he didn't want to "unfair" to the slaveowners (and of course his own financial problems played a role in changing his mind).
Ah, the Chrysler Cordoba, with rich Corinthian leather.
Yes, I can deny that. The Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declares “all men are born free and equal”. This is not the words Jefferson used in the Declaration of Independence. The Massachusetts Supreme Court declared slavery was incompatible with this statement in article 1 of the State’s Constitution and therefore slavery was unconstitutional in the Commonwealth.
It is fair to say Jefferson intended it to apply to slaves too, but the people signing the declaration and the states they represented did not see it that way at the time the Declaration was signed.
As people had time to ponder it, many subsequently decided that it ought to apply to slaves, and this greatly boosted the anti-slavery sentiment in the nation.
Let us try to understand accurately the social dynamics at work at the time.
He abandoned his opposition to slavery because he didn't want to "unfair" to the slaveowners (and of course his own financial problems played a role in changing his mind).
It is not uncommon for upper class elites to want to see principles enforced on everyone but themselves. In modern times, the very same wealthy class complaining about being "carbon neutral" are the same people most like to burn massive amounts of carbon to fuel their lifestyle.
When it comes to real money, principles often take a back seat as they did with Jefferson.
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