Posted on 11/13/2021 3:38:30 AM PST by MtnClimber
Up until Friday, the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was very clear: Easily understood videos and witness testimony (including testimony from the prosecution witnesses) showed that Kyle, despite trying hard to avoid conflict, was attacked by a crazed child rapist, whom Kyle shot as the rapist was grabbing Kyle’s gun, at which point a mob went after Kyle. He then shot and killed a domestic abuser trying to bash his head in with a skateboard, and shot and wounded a felon aiming a loaded, illegal gun at his head. On Thursday, however, the court allowed prosecutors to enter into evidence a fuzzy photo from a late-produced drone, an image prosecutors argue shows Kyle “provoking” the attacks against him. Provocation destroys Kyle’s assertion that he acted in self-defense.
Andrew Branca explains how well the prosecution did on Friday. The “unicorn” evidence that the prosecutors successfully fought to get admitted is the drone footage that they just coincidentally found at the last minute before the trial. According to the prosecution, an incredibly fuzzy photo that was computer-enhanced (meaning that AI made “educated” guesses about where pixels should go) shows Kyle pointing his gun at Joshua Ziminski, who fired the first shot that saw Rosenbaum, who had earlier threatened to kill Kyle, chase after the boy.
The problem for Kyle is that, under Wisconsin law (as is the case under most states’ laws), a person who provokes an attack may not then claim self-defense. If the jury accepts the drone footage as showing Kyle threatening people with the gun, then it was he who triggered (pun intended) all subsequent events, including his shooting three people. However, Wisconsin law also holds that, even if someone provokes things, if he withdraws from the fight but pursuit continues, he can regain the self-defense privilege.
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We are the Banana Republic of America. There will be no “good guys” coming to our rescue. It’s on us.
Can the ill logic of this bye presented in closing agreements?
Can the defense remind the jury to review all the photos of Kyle where in every instance he is carrying right handed?
I watched that video 50 times and I never saw Kyle pointing at anyone. I did, however, see someone point a gun at Kyle (I think, far too fuzzy to know for sure).
Let’s review the motives and resulting outcomes for all parties. Look at this and weigh it out.
Anyone caught in the sights of this mindless mob would have been judged as being either with them and escalating or as against them and by default their enemy.
Law enforcement had been neutered by the fake news and democrat courts and now they are after us.
Hands up don’t shoot
Pants up don’t loot
The totality of prosecution evidence is supposed to be evaluated agianst “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard.
Blobs should figure into the calculus. It’s just a blob sitting there, could be anything. That the prosecutor calims it is one thing is not evidence - it is the prosecutor advocating for the outcome he wants.
I agree with others who have commented that the decision will be a poliical one couched in law and fake law. I sepculate at least one juror will favor the fake law that says Kyle should have stayed home, so everything that follows is on him, and self-defense is not a defense. Liberals are immune to logic and persausion.
I also speculate 9 of the jurors “get it,” and the one or two undecides will pretty quickly “get it” too - even though the prosecution has done its best to conflate and confuse things as it mangles the law. Will that one liberal eventually capitulate? Who knows.
As I said, all pure speculation. I’ve been on three criminal juries. Highly variable conduct in deliberation. Much depends on which of them is chosen leader.
Prosecution asked for 2 1/2 hours of closing argument.
That’s a lot of lying!
Remember. The jury has been doxxed already. They’ve been threatened. BLM is there marching saying convict or else.
The judge has been threatened. Daily Mail showed the emailed.
Look at his proud Mom
Now look at her as she has appeared lately
This ordeal has worn her to the bone!
She is to be pitied and prayed for.
God love her.
Right. The jury and the judge know what will happen if there is an acquittal or directed verdict. The jurors have been videoed and doxxed. They know that if they do not convict they and their families are in mortal danger. Does any evidence matter? The Regime has already convicted him and their thug brown shirts are ready to enforce the Regime conclusions. All of the evidence and is just window dressing IMO.
“The problem for Kyle is that, under Wisconsin law (as is the case under most states’ laws), a person who provokes an attack may not then claim self-defense.”
This is a BS argument. I don’t know how it works in Wisconsin but in most states even if there is some initial provocation, if the provocateur then attempts to withdraw, the person who pursues to continue the conflict is the aggressor.
By the Left’s deranged thinking if a person is carrying a Trump flag that is a provocation. So if an AntiFa type tries to kill him with a skateboard and gets shot and killed, its not self defense.
“””Right. The jury and the judge know what will happen if there is an acquittal or directed verdict. The jurors have been videoed and doxxed. They know that if they do not convict they and their families are in mortal danger. Does any evidence matter? The Regime has already convicted him and their thug brown shirts are ready to enforce the Regime conclusions. All of the evidence and is just window dressing IMO.”””
Yes, the USA is in a sad state when judges, jurors, prosecutors, defenders, and witnesses have to be concerned about the political ramifications from a trial.
In this Rittenhouse case I see two possible outcomes.
1. Rittenhouse is acquitted.
2. There is a mistrial/hung jury.
If 11 jurors are fearful of acquitting Rittenhouse because of the political fireworks afterwards, there will be at least one juror who is not a fraidy cat.
What is the accuracy and validity of the AI technology? You can’t just introduce evidence that relies on an untested or invalid technology.
I think most jurors’ chief concern is about the safety of their families.
It says in the article :
Wisconsin law also holds that, even if someone provokes things, if he withdraws from the fight but pursuit continues, he can regain the self-defense privilege.
So to me it does not matter what happened previous as Kyle is on video retreating. Waste of time to analyze what happened before he was in retreat.
There was a documentary I saw - probably Forensic Files - in which a woman was murdered and the killer left a fingerprint in blood on her bed. The print was identified by someone developing a new technique. He got the computer to subtract the pattern of the material the print was on, leaving behind a clear print. He demonstrated in court that this technique did not alter the print, and the killer - a neighbor - was convicted.
So the prosecution in this case needs to PROVE that the enhancement didn’t alter the drone image.
A picture captures a 30th of a second. that image represents only what the prosecution can muster... and their assumption that that 30th of a second defines everything.
The Marxist domestic enemies are doing everything they possibly can to railroad and set this kid up. This is another Zimmerman/Trayvon case and if Rittenhouse is acquitted the Marxists in the media will forever portray him as a villain just like they do with Zimmerman.
Think how insane this is: Because they refused to get killed they are prosecuted and persecuted.
stop thinking worst!
what they mean for evil, God will use for good! God wins! Kyle is on the side of truth and right, God will see him through whatever may be, but the evil ones will pay a much much higher price.
What happened to Kyle is just one more piece of the leftist politicization of law in America.
It wasn’t the left who was hiding under their desks while Kenosha burned. It was the GOP. What was their response to the burning of our cities? Senator Johnson and another empty suit senator proposed getting rid of Columbus day.
What happened to Kyle is a direct result of our elected representatives going AWOL and ceding the political battlefield to Marxists.
It depends on the judge. They had a witness testify that the computer program inserts pixels into a blown up image and they don’t know how the computer guesses at what to put in the photo.
If the video shows what they claim it shows, it means nothing. Faced with a mob we now know were themselves armed, he raised his weapon but did not fire. Only after being chased and finding himself against a wall with no where else to run, and hearing a shot fired, he turned and fired.
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