More vaccinated people are dying of COVID-19.

Mid-Michigan NOW ^ | 10-28-21 | STEPHEN LOIACONI, Sinclair Broadcast Group

[Paul46360]

WASHINGTON (SBG) — Data from several states and the federal government suggests deaths among Americans fully vaccinated against COVID-19 rose sharply amid the nation’s most recent surge of infections, but experts say that is not unexpected as more of the population gets immunized.
SOOOOOOOOO getting the JAB they are expecting you to get sick???

[grey_whiskers]

You’re wrong.
Look how long the Russian Collusion game was kept up.

[Bob434]

[[In order for numbers to be fudged, I mean seriously screwed up or just plain lied about, the number of people involved in that task is huge]]

Ordinarily your argument woild be valid, “the more peolle,people, the less likely its a coverup” (because so many people couldn’t keep it secret for long), but in this case, I truly thi k there is a massive cover up in order to support vaccinations going on. Just look at how doctors are I’m ediately fired, liscences revoked, investigated etc when they try to speak out,

Also look at how vehemently hcq and ivermectin use and “right to try” have been attacked and denied peol.e seeking them.

The numbers of “ckvid deaths” included everything, from dying in accidents, to dying from suicides, (according to articles we’ve read on tne issue here on fr). If this truly is the case, then yes, there is a massive effort to malign other treatments (which by the way very well could have saved many 1000s of lives had they been tried soon enough, along with traditional medicines now used to combat covid), and to fudge the numbers to keep people fearful and vaxx seeking.

[[Those odds are close to zero keeping such a conspiracy a secret]]

Ther have been numerous doctors and nurses who tried to sound the alarms, and who were immediately attacked, ostracised and/or fired, for doing so.

also, let’s not forget the lies about hospitals being over run, and myriad other lies by msm and ilk. They ,I’d steady about Florida, and. Kw have had to eat crow, but in so doing they stil. Attack DeSantis in the process.

Ordinarily I woild agree with your cover-up argument, but wheni see my government and doctors everywhere refusing to even consider the world wide evidence for things like ncq and j er eating, and then run ads that are bald faced lies about the drugs, claiming that they are too dangerous to to even consider, and lying by claiming they are “horse workers, and shouldn’t therefore be tsken” when it has been approved for decades. Is very very safe, far safer even than Tylenol, then I have to assume that yes, there is a massive cover going on. There is just to much evidence to say otherwise.

Oh, and don’t forget the photos we saw of “overcrowded emergency rooms” over and kver in “different hospitals” only to after find out that they used the same dang photo to depict different hospitals

Had th3 cdc come out in the very beginning, allowing right to try, and had not attacked alternative meds, BUT had instead encouraged people,to do both, seek medical help,too with traditional meds being used, and had they advocated for just the sick and elderly being vaccinated, for a virus that has an overall survival rate of 99.5% or so, and not forced people whomwsre hea,thy and young to get the vaccines, and had our states and gov not fired people for not getting vaxxed, ruinjng their lives and careers they worked so hard to accomplish, then I woild say there was nothing unusual going on

But my goodness, our nation is firing skilled surgeons and doctors and critical operations folks because they refuse to be vaxxed for a virus that has an overall, survival rate of 99.5% or so

That is how deep this whole mess goes.

[WildHighlander57]

that “presumed” is an assumption, with nothing to back it up, and with a lot of room for padding.

Padding helps promote the panic.

So, without the “presumed”, and only the proven cases, the fatality rate and percentage drops.

Then the data needs to have added to it the information on the shots status of the people- then you know the effect the shots have had on the pandemic.

[David Chase]

“ You’re wrong.
Look how long the Russian Collusion game was kept up.”
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The Russian Collusion game was being kept up by professional media and political types.

You are claiming Joe Blow Americans from random locations in different fields with a variety of political views are all conspiring together.

No Conservatives were playing the Russian game and No Conservatives are playing the false Covid stat game.

Poor example grey_whiskers………apples vs. oranges.

[LilFarmer]

Yes, I’ve seen them use that exact reasoning. They have an answer for everything.

The logic fails completely. “The elderly were the ones dying of Covid, we need to give the shots to the elderly to protect them, and now the elderly are dying with the shots...”

So what was the point of the vaccine again? The goalposts have moved so many times, I’m losing track.

[Bob434]

Excellent point. I should added that to my last post. That was a massive coverup for years. Also,we have the election fraud coverup still ongoing. Many many folks involved, even rinos In gov. Not to mention the massive msm effort to keep it covered up.

[Bob434]

[[You are claiming Joe Blow Americans from random locations in different fields with a variety of political views are all conspiring togethe]]

Firstly, many Joe blows In The med field are just as duped as citizens are, and they beleive the lies. Second,, those that aren’t naive and have come out trying to sound the alarm have been ostracized, even fired.

A d actually, yes, conservative rinos were playing the collusion game, and rinos are playing the vax game right along with their good buddies the liberals.

[David Chase]

I’m willing to bet the house we agree on 99% of Conservative issues.

I think this great Covid/vaccine debate circling through Conservative people has a lot to do with how each of us sorts and evaluates information and where our primary source of info are obtained.

I think we’ll get through this as a group, as a force of freedom believing people. Because we still got 99% that we share.

Great civil conversation Bob.
Thank you.

[David Chase]

To me, a Rino isn’t a Conservative. Just to clarify.

[Jane Long]

In before the source is smeared ping.

[lewislynn]

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID-19.

Which is why they're so excited about vaccinating children...
NOT < /sarcasm >

[Bob434]

The problem is though that kids are going to be vaxxed against their parents wishes, and we are learning g that the vaccines can be, and are da group in cases. It’s causing heart problems in young kids, and we don’t know the lo g term effects. Some cdc or medical expert advisor fella admitted that in an article posted on here yesterday. I’ll see if I can find it. He basical,y admitted that “we can’t know what the results will be until we require it so that enough kids get the vaccine and we can study the results “

That is frightening admission from someone Involved with policy making info. I was stunned when I read that.. this is just another thing to add to my suspicion that there is something going on.

As a nation, we may not get through this unscathed. Usual,y when there is any question that something mightt be dangerous, like fen fen was discoverd to be, a drug is quickly pulled from the shelves, but not so with the vaxxines, why? More evidence is coming out that the vaccines are quite possibly not as “safe and effective” as we were lEd to beleive the to be. At the very least, we should be putting the brakes on, giving it mostly to sick and elderly who choose it, and certainly not demanding that kids get it, or healthy people get it until,it can be further studied In The popi,population, that chooses to get it voluntarily.

[Bob434]

I agree, but there was a ckverup going on with both sides playing apart technically.

Nearly tne whole dang lot of them are corrupt. Would be nice to fire nearly the whole,lot of the. And start over again. Maybe the new peeps in congress woild,take the job of serving the public more seriously if they knew they’d be fired lkke,like, predecessors were if they don’t.

Unfortunately too many voting citizens suffer from Stockholm syndrome, and they just keep reelecting their abusers

[David Chase]

“ Firstly, many Joe blows In The med field are just as duped as citizens are, and they beleive the lies. Second,, those that aren’t naive and have come out trying to sound the alarm have been ostracized, even fired.”
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People in the medical field is a broad group.

But, Hospitals employ many different people to function.
Lab, X-ray-imagin, aides, RNs, P.A.s, Surgical, Doctors, Food prep, laundry……etc.

So people are quitting their jobs at Hospitals because of vaccine or other mandates and you think they would care if they get fired for not playing along with a giant conspiracy?

You believe there are No Conservative Nurses, Doctors, Techs, or even Accountants working in Hospitals?

If a State like Florida has a strong Conservative base, where do you suppose those Conservatives work?
I would think anywhere and everywhere anyone works.
Car dealerships and Urgent Care Clinics.
Pizza restaurants and Cancer Research.

ICU nurses and care providers are from all walks of life, and probably in a Conservative State like Florida chances are they’re Conservatives too.

Like I said……a very large group of people would need to be involved in the Covid death conspiracy for it to work, and many of those people would have to be Conservatives.

But you came back and said they’re duped….implying they’re dumb.

I think you’re correct……the entire world of people no matter their profession, education, political, religious beliefs are duped.

Just so we can make a conspiracy derived from some Blogger be real.

So everyone who doesn’t believe some random unknown unverified Twitter Dude is duped?

Wow, that’s a lot of people.

[ez]

When TPTB are gaming the stats, and the partisans are creating lies and distortions, it’s almost impossible to determine what the actual numbers might be. In this case, it greatly increases the value of personal experience and anecdotal evidence. For my experience, I have broken out in skin tags since taking the shot, and have increased mole activity, likely pointing to other issues. Without extensive blood work, I will have to wait for other issues to manifest themselves and hope its not too late. Accordingly, I will not be taking any boosters.

[rolling_stone]

Even IF some were lies, some were mistaken, or an error, and we minus 200,000 for that………it's still over half a million deaths from this virus and China has not been punished for what they've done................

the medical community and some state governments have not been punished for blocking, discouraging and sometimes stopping use of effective therapeutics like ivermectin. FDA and news media also have a part in that. The vaccine makers and fda cdc have not been punished for failure to truthfully report adverse actions and have continued to push the vaxes in the face of substantial evidence they are not effective nor safe..the cdc is guilty of changed the definition of what is a vaccine to fit their agenda, that is unforgivable .

[ez]

This is faulty logic. It actually only takes one person to alter or mischaracterize an event and then no one else has to do anything except allow the bad information through.

[Pollard]

When 100% of people are vaccinated, 100% of people who die from covid will have been vaccinated.

Awesome vaxxene.

[Western Patriot]

It’s very easy to understand and it doesn’t take a conspiracy. The Covid relief act set aside 100 billion to compensate hospitals. If any patient comes in with any condition and also tests positive for Covid then the government pays the bill no questions asked. Hospitals get paid even if the patients die. There have been a lot of false positives. I would suggest it is in the best interest of the hospital to bump up the covid cases just to get additional revenue. That alone would account for an overcount of cases.
But there’s more. Look who benefits most from this, Big Pharma. They are willing to invest in media, advertizing, false data, and just plain old corruption to get their vaccines into peoples arms. it costs them fractions of a penny on the dollar. The relationship between Big Pharma and the FDA is a revolving door, just like government and lobbyists. The CDC farms out the statistics and counting of covid to NIOSH which in turn gets money the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. See the connection.
We beleive that it takes thousands of co-conspiritors to make something like this happen. Instead it just takes a small cabal of wealthy individuals to turn some pretty big wheels.If you can just push the wagon over the top of the hill it will roll all the way to the bottom.
I’m going to let you put the rest of this together, but wake up. We live in very dangerous times.

[Bob434]

Being duped,doesn’t mean they are dumb. Smart people get fooled.

You bring up Florida, which I will point out isn’t mandating vaccines or requiring masks, a d is removing state funding to those institutions there that do mandate. There was an article on It just today. It woild therefore appear that florida does realize that there is danger and risk,in the vaccines, and they recognize that asks do not work contrary to the government’s insistence that they do despite evidence to the contrary.

Many doctors have come out stating that the masks do nothing more than contained large particles- larger than covid particles. Yet their voices are downed out by the screaming left and the screeching msm.

[[Like I said……a very large group of people would need to be involved in the Covid death conspiracy for it to work]]

A very ,arge group of people are. There is also a very y large group of people involved I. The scam of “man-caused climate change’ too- infzct it is now a world wide scam, and they are helped and protected by the screeching msm, fake news. Despite there being reams of evidence that man is not causing climate change, the, ie is still,bring foisted on those that don’t bother to,check the facts themselves. This doesn’t make them stupid or dumb, it simply makes them folks that have fallen for the propaganda either because they don’t have time to check for themselves, or because they are lazy. There is enough evidence to prove that man is not causing it, but this doesn’t phase the liars pushing g the scam one bit. It’s. Now a world wide scam, with many many many people in on it.

[[Just so we can make a conspiracy derived from some Blogger be real.

So everyone who doesn’t believe some random unknown unverified Twitter Dude is duped?]]

I said nothjng about some “random Twitter blogger”- I am talking about actual doctors and nurses and professionals speaking out about what is going on only to be fired or ostracized. tner ehas been article after article on these instances posted to fr over the last year and a half where this has happened.. factual news of firings. Ostracisings, doctors being attacked by the profession for simply,stating folks should have the right to try everything and not just be locked into quickly developed medicines that have been proven to cause more harm than ivermectin (there is an article posted just the other day how regeneron has caused all kinds of damage to organs, and doesn’t increase chances of survival or hospital stay length, while ivermectin has helped, does not cause organ failure, and increases chances of survival.

I felt the same as 6ou did for a lo g time, thinking that there couldn’t possibly be a cover-up of this mag itutde. There has however been so much in the news though to make me change my mind. To say it can’t happen, just isn’t true, coverups do znd are still happening- russia-gate. “Man caused climate change “, the stolen election- and yes, I beleive this vaccine ma date crap is one too because of how unethical doctors all across the nation are being over it (not a,lowijg operations because the person isn’t vaccinated, denying help because of no vsccine, etc. Because of how vehemently the profession attacked hcq actually going so far as to flat out lie about it, and about ivermectin too.

Sorry, but I do not beleive that we are being told the truth. Report after report show that deaths are being labeled as covid when they aren’t.

We were t told about blood c.ots, heart problems, or any possible, one term health effects cro the vaccines. They just demanded that people,get them, and nkw we have the admission that they don’t know how it’s gonna affect kids, but they demand they get it anyways so that they can study the effects?

Do,you think that is ethical?