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Biden admin opposes move to give honorable discharge to troops who refuse the COVID-19 vaccine...
Blaze Media ^ | 9/23/21 | PHIL SHIVER

Posted on 09/25/2021 11:39:41 AM PDT by Chunga85

"The Administration strongly opposes section 716, which would detract from readiness and limit a commander's options for enforcing good order and discipline when a Service member fails to obey a lawful order to receive a vaccination," the White House argued. "To enable a uniformed force to fight with discipline, commanders must have the ability to give orders and take appropriate disciplinary measures."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dystopia
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To: JD_UTDallas
You lose your firearm rights with a dishonorable discharge

Can't have them felon 11Bravos that were kicked out for just not wanting to get sick or die from a shot that their bosses in DC made themselves exempt from getting mad and buying guns now can we? They surely cannot envision what mess a few battalions of cashiered and totally pi$$ed off Infantry that might raid an NG armory could do that would make Jan 06 look like a frat party.

41 posted on 09/25/2021 12:41:06 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Jan_Sobieski
The worst they can get for refusing these experimental vaccines is a general discharge that can easily be fought to honorable.

The bottom line is there should be no mandates at all; we all know this isn't about health but mandatory compliance.

I served in a different era when the communists hadn't taken over our government yet.

42 posted on 09/25/2021 12:57:30 PM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

Agreed


43 posted on 09/25/2021 1:00:47 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: stanne

Require the vaccines for entitlements.


44 posted on 09/25/2021 1:06:37 PM PDT by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: ActresponsiblyinVA

?


45 posted on 09/25/2021 1:15:08 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“The worst they can get for refusing these experimental vaccines is a general discharge that can easily be fought to honorable.”

The charge would be disobeying a direct order from the commanding officer for this approved vaccine.

That is punishable by a General Court Martial and they can award up to life in a military prison.

It’s definitely an unlikely outcome, but they have that legal authority.


46 posted on 09/25/2021 1:15:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: Chunga85
This story keeps being reported wrongly for clickbait. Dishonorable discharges aren't mentioned anywhere in the bill. The bill mandates honorable discharges for anyone refusing the shot. So admin/general discharges would be prohibited, which is what they'd probably end up giving otherwise.

DD's or even BCD's would never be given anyway. That's just clickbait. Still, anu nom-honorable discharge can impact your entitlement to VA benefits, which is outrageous enough.

47 posted on 09/25/2021 1:20:06 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Chunga85

For many years democrats have wanted to destroy the military as a conservative-leaning voting bloc.

This year they are doing all they can to make that dream a reality.


48 posted on 09/25/2021 1:35:48 PM PDT by Iron Munro ( In Biden’s America science is just leftist propaganda spread by government,media and useful idiots )
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To: PROCON

Yes, 2A etc all go away.

A DD is not an admin action. It is the result of a court- martial.

If the idiocracy thinks the DOD will try perhaps a quarter of the serving troops and squids, they are in need of a dose of reality.

Imagine the result of disenfranchising and creating a criminal class of vets....over an experimental gene therapy with proven poor results but rather dangerous unintended consequences....


49 posted on 09/25/2021 1:42:46 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: JD_UTDallas

So you consider a “vaccine” that bypassed normal long-term adverse reaction studies and has not control groups to be an ordinary vaccine?

Quite the useful idiot you are.


50 posted on 09/25/2021 1:47:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: GreyHoundSailor

Recruiting must already be poor - that would tank it for good.......

Yes, retention as well. Forced vaxees will be a sullen and angry lot. Good luck with morale and discipline with those sorts of folks.


51 posted on 09/25/2021 2:42:22 PM PDT by Ceebass (USA RIP 1776-2021)
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To: Chunga85

Biden will order the military to kill American citizens on American soil. Mark my words. The democrats will stop at nothing.


52 posted on 09/25/2021 4:35:54 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yes. Funny how everyone, especially liberals, forgets about “the rule of law” when it comes to military personnel.


53 posted on 09/25/2021 5:38:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: ActresponsiblyinVA

Now we’re getting somewhere.


54 posted on 09/25/2021 8:53:14 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Chunga85

To give a dishonorable discharge requires prosecution. It ain’t just a checkbox on a discharge form.


55 posted on 09/25/2021 8:54:59 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: JD_UTDallas

The problem with even the BCD is the accused gets to present a defense in front of the “jury” which means that it is not done in a day, it takes months to get to the “trial”.

A BCD can not be done as fast as Article 15, (NJP), and then the process to discharge is not an automatic process that can be done in a few days. For the Navy it still needs to go through NAVPERS for the final discharge paperwork.

My experience with the Navy was that Dishonorable and Bad Conduct discharges take at least 2 months after conviction and I never saw an accused stand trial in less than 2 months from the charges being filed and the trial being started.

Even discharges under Article 15, which the Captain/Commander can hold within days of the accused being formally charged can take months for NAVPERS, (other branches call their personnel commands something else), to approve the discharge recommended by the Captain/Commander, (a court martial can order a discharge but the Captain/Commander can only recommend it).


56 posted on 09/25/2021 11:30:59 PM PDT by usnavy_cop_retired (Retiree in the P.I. living as a legal immigrant)
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To: Chunga85

You know things are damned bad when the government wants to courts martial a large percentage of our military for failure to take injections already declared illegal by the world court.


57 posted on 09/26/2021 1:33:54 AM PDT by .44 Special (Taimid Buacharch)
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To: .44 Special; All

If (emphasis on if, because I’m not sure) I’m reading this right, Green’s amendment 716 is included in what the House passed. If so that means it has to survive the Senate and if it does that means military members that refuse the jab cannot be dishonorably discharged.

That’s a lot of ifs. Just passing in the House is a stiff rebuke to the Catatonic Joe Regime. Here’s the link I’m reading. It’s kind of hard to be sure so I’m not.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4350/text


58 posted on 09/26/2021 6:00:16 AM PDT by Chunga85 (fatality rate 0.26)
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To: Chunga85; All

It’s a bit of a surprise this topic sparks so little interest, but I did call Green’s office. Section 716 DID survive by a wide bi-partisan margin. It now goes to the Senate.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4350/text

Here’s the money shot.

“(a) Prohibition.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a member of an Armed Force under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of a military department subject to discharge on the basis of the member choosing not to receive the COVID-19 vaccine may only receive an honorable discharge.”


59 posted on 09/27/2021 9:22:45 AM PDT by Chunga85 (fatality rate 0.26)
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