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Biden admin opposes move to give honorable discharge to troops who refuse the COVID-19 vaccine...
Blaze Media ^ | 9/23/21 | PHIL SHIVER

Posted on 09/25/2021 11:39:41 AM PDT by Chunga85

"The Administration strongly opposes section 716, which would detract from readiness and limit a commander's options for enforcing good order and discipline when a Service member fails to obey a lawful order to receive a vaccination," the White House argued. "To enable a uniformed force to fight with discipline, commanders must have the ability to give orders and take appropriate disciplinary measures."

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Unless I'm mistaken there was supposed to be a vote on this in the House on Friday. What happened?
1 posted on 09/25/2021 11:39:41 AM PDT by Chunga85
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2 posted on 09/25/2021 11:41:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Chunga85

Is it a lawful order or is it not. That should be obvious, but that’s the question.


3 posted on 09/25/2021 11:42:55 AM PDT by stanne
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t have any idea what that means.


4 posted on 09/25/2021 11:43:25 AM PDT by Chunga85 (fatality rate 0.26)
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Smart move. Turn them into enemies with training. Any other bright ideas from the dementia patient?


5 posted on 09/25/2021 11:45:08 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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What I’m looking for is information on the vote in the House regarding Green’s amendment.


6 posted on 09/25/2021 11:46:22 AM PDT by Chunga85 (fatality rate 0.26)
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At least when I was in, getting a dishonorable discharge is tantamount to having a felony on your record.

Good luck finding a good job or getting a mortgage.

7 posted on 09/25/2021 11:46:30 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Chunga85

more vaccine facism


8 posted on 09/25/2021 11:48:06 AM PDT by devere
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To: PROCON
Good luck finding a good job or getting a mortgage.

Or buying a firearm based on question 11g on the purchase application 4473.

9 posted on 09/25/2021 11:48:07 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: PROCON

I believe a bad conduct discharge is also considered a felony.


10 posted on 09/25/2021 11:48:58 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: stanne

Why would being ordered to take a FDA approved vaccine be any different than the other 20+ FDA approved vaccines a soldier gets jabbed with day one of boot camp. Additionally when you deploy to the tropics Panama for example you are given additional vaccines for tropical illnesses again by lawful order. The now FDA approved Pfizer vaccine puts it legally in in exactly the same class as every other mandatory military vaccine. You don’t have to like it but it is exactly why the military waited for FDA approval to mandate it they are 100% on solid legal ground that goes back decades.


11 posted on 09/25/2021 11:49:13 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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He’d need to put a few hundred thousand people on trial, right? You can’t just rubber stamp a judgment like this.


12 posted on 09/25/2021 11:51:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (China is like the Third Reich. We are Mussolini's Italy. A weaker, Jr partner, good at losing wars.)
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No a BCD is like a misdemeanor only a dishonorable is considered felony level. You lose your firearm rights with a dishonorable discharge question 11g on the 4473 specifically asks for dishonorable. A BCD will hamper job prospects and some states will refuse to issue you a concealed carry permit or even firearm ID card Illinois for one.


13 posted on 09/25/2021 11:53:02 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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14 posted on 09/25/2021 11:53:02 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: ClearCase_guy

Dishonorable and BCDs require a court martial. They can not be given administratively, like say the general discharge Hunter Biden got for being crack abuser.


15 posted on 09/25/2021 11:55:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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Sleepy46 is our CIC. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.


16 posted on 09/25/2021 11:55:18 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (Proudly posting comments without reading the articles since 2002.)
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"To enable a uniformed force to fight with discipline, commanders must have the ability to give orders and take appropriate disciplinary measures."

It is true that Joe Biden is mildly stupid?

On one hand Biden gives a pass to Gen. Milley for clear insubordination. Milley, an unelected official, has the single duty to carry out the orders of the Commander in Chief, President Trump. Soldiers who challenge their superiors are disciplined.

On the other hand Biden wants to crush active military who do not want to obey a highly questionable order to get a vaccine.

It is questionable because it violates the constitution, of freedom to choose, my body, my choice. It is questionable because the vaccine itself is experimental at this stage.

If Biden cannot see this then might he be mildly stupid?

17 posted on 09/25/2021 11:55:59 AM PDT by olezip
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I know of 4 guys while at my last unit who refused the anthrax series they were put on restrictions for two months while they waited an article 15 board which then the commander decided to BCD them. I should know I was in the CID detachment who brought charges with the provost against them. BCD don’t take a full court marital panel a commander can do it with the provost.


18 posted on 09/25/2021 11:57:06 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas

You may wish to educate yourself on this vaccine, because it required the CDC, NIH and FDA to rewrite the definition of “vaccine” in order to be called a vaccine. They had to demonize HQZ and Ivermectin in order to get the Emergency Use Only certification. Both are proven highly effective in India, Mexico, Africa, Germany and Japan

However the COVID vaccine has killed over 15.000 in the US so far ( see VAERS) with reports as high as 150,000 dead. This doesn’t include those with permanent heart issues, strokes or long term studies. Some say most vaccination victims will die in 3-5 years.

Research is good for you


19 posted on 09/25/2021 11:59:40 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: JD_UTDallas
You don’t have to like it but it is exactly why the military waited for FDA approval to mandate it they are 100% on solid legal ground that goes back decades.

The only problem with your assertion is that there is no covid vax available that has fda approval. The have approved a vax that has not yet been manufactured or available. The ones that are available are still under emergency use authorization.
20 posted on 09/25/2021 12:00:19 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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