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Vanity and shameless: A friend is looking for a listing of information to counter the Vaccine march. She is in her thirties and her family is practically disowning her Any websites to recommend?
chickensoup | 08.27.21 | chickensoup

Posted on 08/27/2021 12:10:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup

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To: Chickensoup

Since she is in her 30s, she is a little long in the tooth for Seeking Arrangements. But she is young enough to pull herself up by her bootstraps and survive disowning.


41 posted on 08/27/2021 12:46:11 PM PDT by PatriotarchyQ
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To: Chickensoup

The break through data is everywhere, Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, yet its covid cases today are as high as they were at the peek before shots were available:

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/

Deaths are lower, but cases are as high as their peak, supporting what I said, the vaccine seems to help prevent death (if you assume no improvement in treatment and protocols has occurred in last 8 months. (A big assumption) but I’ll even give that to the pro vax folks.

This is also proof to the claim break through cases are RARE.. they are not, they are COMMON... and Israel is not the only nation showing this trend, countless highly vaccinated nations are showing the same pattern.

Breakthrough infections can spread the virus:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/evidence-mounts-that-people-with-breakthrough-infections-can-spread-delta-easily

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-infections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/

The actual higher viral load in nasal, I just read yesterday but not finding today, not surprising given the suppression of data, but will keep looking

The Covid Spike Protein binds to ACE2 Receptors:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18319-6

All vaccines to date either inject a version of this protein or in mRNA case direct your own cells to manufacturing


42 posted on 08/27/2021 12:48:44 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Chickensoup

See 42. I know I have read other studies and things but having a difficult time finding them at the moment will look for them later tonight when I have more time


43 posted on 08/27/2021 12:50:42 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: PatriotarchyQ

There is only one good time to ghost jerks.

Now.


44 posted on 08/27/2021 12:52:32 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: boxlunch

thank you


45 posted on 08/27/2021 12:53:11 PM PDT by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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To: Chickensoup

Check FR keywords for links to articles of varying importance that relate to your question. The keywords I would recommend are covid, covid19, vaccine and vaccines. If the results are interesting to you, click the article source to get the full article and read and download if relevant.

This will require some time on your part but it will be the best source of covid and vaccine info that I know of.


46 posted on 08/27/2021 12:56:43 PM PDT by CedarDave (Wearing a mask to keep you safe from the virus is like putting up chicken wire to keep out mosquitos)
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To: kiryandil

The fact they are not being HONEST with the information and have not from day one, and are in this MUST UNIVERSALLY VAX OR WE WILL ALL DIE propaganda nonsense, tells me all I need to know.

When you have politicians telling you a vaccine is 100% safe and effective... that tells you all you need to know.

There is NO shot that has ever been invented by man that has ever been 100% safe and effective... but they claimed it anyway.

They claimed the proteins wouldn’t flow through your body... LIE.... anyone who understands the circulatory system knows that’s a lie.

They claimed your body would stop making the protein after a few weeks... which anyone who understands bio-diversity could tell you that that claim is not going to wind up being 100% true.

The 1 real claim the vaccines can make, and the only one backed up by science is, if you are vaccinated the odds of you dying from Covid are reduced... THAT’S IT!

That is the only claim that to date can be factually substantiated.

Claims you are less likely to get it, LIE.
Claims you are less likely to spread it, LIE.

Claims that unvaccinated are more of a threat to the public health and others than the vaccinated, LIE.

Period.

Anyone buying into the unvaccinated are a danger to the public health has swallowed the lies, not the science.


47 posted on 08/27/2021 12:59:29 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: cgbg
if family thinks they own you, they are your enemy—forever.

tell them she loves them, do her own thing, and pray for them. . . Eyes often open up eventually, if you give (panicky) people time and space.

I'm not seeing a contradiction here. They're either her enemy forever, or . . . not so much. We're not God, so we can make our best guess, but we don't know the future. I don't see how she loses, whether her family stays deluded, or gets on the sane train.

I have plenty of wacko-birds in my family. Some have gone from "enemy" to friend; some haven't. I've been wrong plenty of times. If I spend my time trying to maintain an "enemyship" in my mind, I'm using up brain-space, and probably sinning against charity.

48 posted on 08/27/2021 1:05:38 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

The problem is we are not talking about an intellectual disagreement.

As you might have guessed, I had this issue with my parents after I left the nest.

I told them my boundaries, and said do not cross them.

They crossed them, and I was done with them—forever.

I have a sister who forgave them and prayed for them and visited them and then faced emotional abuse over and over and over again.

Her call—but I will have none of it.

When people say they own you, believe it and run!


49 posted on 08/27/2021 1:16:06 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Chickensoup

“Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness...”

“...In SARS, a type of “priming” of the immune system was observed during animal studies of SARS spike protein-based vaccines leading to increased morbidity and mortality in vaccinated animals who were subsequently exposed to wild SARS virus. The problem, highlighted in two studies, became obvious following post-vaccination challenge with the SARS virus [2]. found that recombinant SARS spike-protein-based vaccines not only failed to provide protection from SARS-CoV infection, but also that the mice experienced increased immunopathology with eosinophilic infiltrates in their lungs. Similarly [3], found that ferrets previously vaccinated against SARS-CoV also developed a strong inflammatory response in liver tissue (hepatitis). Both studies suspected a “cellular immune response”...”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7142689/


50 posted on 08/27/2021 1:29:13 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: Chickensoup

8/8/21

“Most COVID-19 Patients at Israel Hospital Fully Vaccinated, Doctor Calls Mandates ‘Diabolic’”

“The majority of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease, according to one of the hospital’s doctors.

On Aug. 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, said in a Channel 13 TV News interview, “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated.” Furthermore, “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.”..”

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

“Dr. Anne McCloskey of the NHS gives an impassioned plea after working all night in the hospital, where almost everyone she treated was double vaccinated for COVID. Young people in their 20s are developing disabilities she has never seen before...”

https://rumble.com/vln3xl-british-medical-doctor-the-shots-are-killing-people-we-need-to-stop-this.html


51 posted on 08/27/2021 1:33:20 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: billyboy15; G Larry

Correction.

Vaccinated people carry a virus load ovwe 250 times that of an un vaccinated person.

https://www.worldtribune.com/scientists-fully-vaccinated-carry-251-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/


52 posted on 08/27/2021 1:34:38 PM PDT by billyboy15
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To: billyboy15; Chickensoup

251 times the viral load in “breakthroughs” among those injected. Maybe they should quarantine people who took the injection?

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733


53 posted on 08/27/2021 1:42:23 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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To: Chickensoup
For starters...has she gotten a serology (blood) test? If not, perhaps something to consider. If she has natural antibodies, she's got better immunity than lab made immunity without the intentional exposure to injection side effects.

Large Israeli study: Natural immunity provides 13 times more protection against Delta than Pfizer's vaccine does
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/08/26/large-israeli-study-natural-immunity-provides-13-times-more-protection-against-delta-than-pfizers-vaccine-does-n411863
The study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
https://www.worldtribune.com/scientists-fully-vaccinated-carry-251-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/
The study: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

 

Then, there are a plethora of stories out there regarding the waning effectiveness of the injections, especially in the last several months (thus the "need" for a 3rd shot in ~6 months or less)

 

Reports Of Vaccinated Breakthrough Cases/Hospitalizations/Deaths Are On The Rise - Sharply

A sampling of stories from around the country, and world.

When looking at stories, or data, keep in mind the timeframe. Is the data they are sharing/reporting regarding the entire vaccination timeline (from Jan), when there were far fewer variants and far fewer participating in the experimental injections? Or, is it what's happening recently, in the last week or last month with a growing pool of variants and participants in the experiments?


54 posted on 08/27/2021 1:46:23 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

BKMRK


55 posted on 08/27/2021 1:49:41 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Chickensoup
More about Natural vs Lab immunity:

Detection of SARS-CoV-2-Specific Humoral and Cellular Immunity in COVID-19 Convalescent Individuals(May 3, 2020)
https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(20)30181-3?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS1074761320301813%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls(July 25, 2020)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

Orthogonal SARS-CoV-2 Serological Assays Enable Surveillance of Low-Prevalence Communities and Reveal Durable Humoral Immunity(Oct. 13, 2020)
https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(20)30445-3?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS1074761320304453%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to eight months after infection(Nov. 1, 2020)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in a cohort of 43,000 antibody-positive individuals followed for up to 35 weeks(Jan. 15, 2021)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249731v2

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19(Jan. 26, 2021)
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Striking difference identified between mRNA vaccination vs. SARS-CoV-2 infection immune responses (Apr 22 2021)
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210422/Striking-difference-identified-between-mRNA-vaccination-vs-SARS-CoV-2-infection-immune-responses.aspx

Protection of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of BNT162b2 vaccine protection: A three-month nationwide experience from Israel(April 24, 2021)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1.full.pdf

A population-based analysis of the longevity of SARS-CoV-2 antibody seropositivity in the United States(May 24, 2021)
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2589-5370(21)00182-6

SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans(May 24, 2021)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4

SARS-CoV-2 specific memory B-cells from individuals with diverse disease severities recognize SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern(May 29, 2021)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.28.21258025v1

Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals (large Clevland Clinic study) (June 1, 2021)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2

Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells(July 20, 2021)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8253687/

Most of above from: https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/covid-19-natural-immunity-compared-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/

56 posted on 08/27/2021 1:50:41 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Chickensoup

Over 9000 people in the USA have died from the covid shot.

Other official reactions to shot:

thrombosis, myocardial inflammation, uveitis of the eye, bell’s palsy, functional neurological syndrome, ALS, alzheimer’s, neurological degenerative diseases, guillain-barre syndrome.


57 posted on 08/27/2021 1:53:15 PM PDT by Marchmain (.)
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To: Chickensoup

What does she mean by ‘practically disowning’?


58 posted on 08/27/2021 1:56:19 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Chickensoup
Furthermore, The FDA admits there are "serious" concerns on the safety of the recently "approved" Pfizer injection, and that there is a need for long term safety data.

They are REQUIRING them to conduct several multi-year studies on what THEY, the FDA are saying are "known serious risks of myocarditis and pericarditis"

FDA "Approval" of Pfizer Injection COMIRNATY States There Were No Concerns Or Controversial Issues - Yet - Pfizer Is Required To Conduct Several Long Term Studies
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3988135/posts

59 posted on 08/27/2021 1:57:22 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Marchmain

where do you get that number?


60 posted on 08/27/2021 2:09:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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