Delta Air Lines is raising health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees by $200 a month to cover higher Covid costs

CNBC ^ | Augustine 25, 2021 | Leslie Josephs

[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

Tyranny is OK when it’s done by the private sector? At the direction of the Democrat party, who in turn do so expecting large payouts from Big Pharma?

Fascism is tyranny via a public/private partnership, in this case it is oligarchy-based (private control —> public sector). This is what you are supporting by your statement.

[The Pack Knight]

Yes. A little thing called the free market.

Partially free in this instance. Delta can do this because ERISA-governed, employer-funded health plans (usually only feasible for large employers) are exempt from the ObamaCare "community rating" requirements. Individual and group health insurance providers would not be able to do this.

I think every health insurer should be able to price their products as they see fit, which of course puts me at odds with the current Republican mainstream position of "protecting pre-existing conditions." But I object to large employers being exempt from a rule that applies to everyone else.

[Alberta's Child]

I do business with a company whose owner built his business model around reducing medical insurance costs.

Almost all of the employees fall into two groups:

1. Young adults right out of college, up to age 25 (they stay on their parents' medical insurance plans until age 26).

2. Older retirees who are covered by Medicare and/or other retirement-based medical plans from their prior jobs.

I give someone like this a ton of credit for figuring out how to play a rigged game to his advantage.

[Myrddin]

DELTA...Doesn't Ever Leave The Airport. The stupid policy to require the vaxx will hollow out the company and ground them as a going concern. They deserve to fail for ignorance and stupidity. My only regret in this operation is that Delta is the only carrier serving Pocatello. My air travel occurred on an every 2 week basis for many years. Since October 2014, I have made ONE round trip to San Diego in Sept 2017. I'll drive to avoid flying now.

[cgbg]

I just lowered my travel costs by refusing to fly Delta ever.

Play Pfascist and pay the price.

[cgbg]

You pay higher rates if you smoke. I don’t see the issue.

There are dozens of issues, Stevie Wonder, but lets just focus on one.

The vaccines are relatively new and we do not yet know their long term effects on human health. Making decision at this time is arbitrary and capricious, closer to witch-craft than science.

[neefer]

Its very different from smoking. See post#45

Exactly. There is no equivalency. One is a habit that is a health risk that, if you choose to partake, you will be penalized. The other is a medical procedure that is supposedly beneficial (although there is yet no evidence of that) that if you DON'T choose to partake in, you're penalized.

[Freedom56v2]

“You pay higher rates if you smoke. I don’t see the issue.”
Alexander Hamilton was so right when he said, “People get the government they deserve.” You deserve this current government.

When when they start shutting off our cell service because we are not vaccinated you will be on this forum commenting “Start tour own phone company.”

Pathetic.
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Spot-on.

I won’t even address the flaws in poster’s comment except that apparently some are incapable of keeping up to speed on the topic of unvaccinated breakthrough COVID deaths.

I would add:

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
~Ben Franklin

Only fools think this attack on freedom and liberty is going to stop with “vaccines.” We are entering a totalitarian and apartheid society, some here are just too blind to see it.

Frightening to see this on Free Republic.

[BlackbirdSST]

Yes. A little thing called the free market. Now let’s see how many died in the wool so called conservatives embrace it

Embrace that fascism 'Dr' gas_bags.

[EastTexasTraveler]

Delta Airlines is one of the worst run companies in the country. I know from experience.

[bigdaddy45]

Good. They should be. Why should i be subsidizing people who don’t take care of themselves?

[bigdaddy45]

Doesn’t “prevent” Covid. But reduces the chances you will end up in the hospital. Which is extremely expensive.

[TianaHighrider]

Darn. Correct.

[New Perspective]

LOL! Great breakdown of the numbers:)

[neefer]

Doesn’t “prevent” Covid. But reduces the chances you will end up in the hospital.

There's no evidence of that. In fact the opposite seems to be playing out. Israel has many vaxed patients in the hospital.

Should I be penalized for not getting a colonoscopy? It would greatly reduce my chance of being hospitalized with colon cancer, right?

[WMarshal]

"Good. They should be. Why should i be subsidizing people who don’t take care of themselves?"

Corporate fascist toadies are never very bright and they have a love of punishment and coercion. Sad.

[neefer]

Doesn’t “prevent” Covid. But reduces the chances you will end up in the hospital.

And can you tell me the statistics of my natural immune system preventing me from being hospitalized vs. those who have been vaxed? There's very little data so far so why are people being penalized when there still many unknowns? One thing we do know is that people under 50 have a 99% recovery if they even get it. Why should these people be penalized when the statistics say they're not at risk?

[JD_UTDallas]

“Wait till the fatties start complaining when you get better rates for being in shape”

I worked for a major oil company that did biannual health screenings for their self insured plans. You had the option to not take insurance from the company, or refuse to participate in the screenings which would automatically put one in the high risk insurance group if you chose to take coverage from the company. That high-risk group was $200 per month per person higher. If you took the screenings and failed 3 of 5 metrics you were put in the high risk insurance group with a $100 per month increase for 6 months then if you improved in one of the 3 failed you kept the $100 increase if you didn’t improve at least one then the rate jumped to the full $200 per month. In addition to this monthly hair test for drugs were mandatory one of the drugs that was tested for was nicotine if you were positive that was another $150 per month increase this test was not optional as the hair was being collected anyways for narcotics testing.

The five metrics were:
BMI over 30

Cholesterol over the healthy limit for your age/ sex group.

Triglycerides over 180

Blood sugar over 100

Waist line over 40 inches for men I forgot what it was for females.

Fail any 3 of those and it’s high risk insurance group for you.

Our plans were platinum level , $275 deductible, 80/20 co insurance up to an out pocket Max of $5000 and a 5 million limit on care. Nearly everyone took insurance from the company and we had a 98% compliance rate for screenings. It was $110 per month for individual employees as our premium.

[bigdaddy45]

Yeah, maybe your rates SHOULD be higher if you don’t get a colonoscopy. Especially since its free under many insurance plans.

Fascinating thread. Conservatives are usually big proponents of the free market and individual responsibility. Until it comes to socialist corporate health plans, which they suddenly think should be the same for everyone.

[bigdaddy45]

Wow, we found the liberal! Someone who uses the term “fascism” for anything they disagree with.

A corporation can’t be “fascist” genius. You don’t want their health care? Then don’t buy it. In fact, you don’t like the job? Then leave. The job market is red hot right now.

Its called the free market. Conservatives used to like it...