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How To Argue Leftists Into A Corner
American Thinker.com ^ | August 6, 2021 | Jeff M. Lewis

Posted on 08/06/2021 4:11:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

The Culture War is hot, and it continues. The furor over Critical Race Theory seems to have died down a bit (perhaps on purpose?), but don’t think we have won. This is likely to continue for quite some time and we know for sure that the leftists will not quit, and neither should we.

I can hear the groans now: “That’s a great way to ruin my family dinner or my pool party barbeque, dude.…” Indeed, it is a risky endeavor, and the decision is yours alone. However, in the culture war and in the battle to preserve America, we may need to fight the good fight at a time not of our own choosing.

I had a recent excursion against CRT and a familiar leftist tactic after viewing a friend’s shared Facebook post:

After a few days of cautious consideration, I replied, “Typical. CRT cannot be argued on its merits because it only divides and tears down and has no merit. Therefore, call opponents to CRT Racist.”

The skirmishes may begin in just this manner and opening volleys will be a shock.

There recently has been very effective public pushback against Critical Race Theory. Therefore, I interpret the post’s author lamenting the lost ground and resorting to what every leftist does as a result – ad hominem attacks against the opposition’s credibility (“Nazi/Fascist/Racist!”). It is an entirely predictable leftist non-answer to opposition on any issue, and an attempt to deflect from addressing the issue on its merits.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: argue; crt; culture; dissent
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1 posted on 08/06/2021 4:11:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Why bother?

You cannot argue someone out of their religion.

Spend time shoring up connections with like minded.


2 posted on 08/06/2021 4:14:49 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Kaslin

Really?
We need instructions?

Stop equivocating.
Just say, “You are f*cking lying. Shut up and leave me alone.”
Force them to defend their lies.

The time has come, the walrus said,
To talk of many things:
Of shoes and ships and sealing wax
Of cabbages and kings.

Be the walrus!


3 posted on 08/06/2021 4:16:03 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Get the Marxist teachers out of the schools.


4 posted on 08/06/2021 4:19:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Chickensoup
You cannot argue someone out of their religion.

Agreed.

Most hard-core leftists are sociopaths--they want power over others, and they will say anything to get it.

They will use lies, emotional blackmail, every trick in the book.

There is nothing to discuss--they are toxic and should be avoided.


5 posted on 08/06/2021 4:20:36 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s best for everyone to recognize CRT for what it is: an open, unapologetic admission on the part of its proponents that black people are inferior to whites and Asians, and therefore should never be expected to compete with them on equal terms.


6 posted on 08/06/2021 4:23:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Kaslin

First, find a round room ...


7 posted on 08/06/2021 4:30:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Really?
We need instructions?
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Perhaps not but there are a lot of folks I’ve met who are very solid in their conservative views but get over talked by the ‘family leftist’ at the annual reunions and barbecues... a leftist who ends up dominating the discussion just because she/he doesn’t get properly challenged.

Having solid beliefs/views and being able to argue those beliefs/views in a calm, cogent and effective/convincing manner are two different things. This usually means going back to the roots of these beliefs and starting from there. I rather liked this article and the ‘refresher to debating’ that it presented.


8 posted on 08/06/2021 4:32:54 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Kaslin

You can’t argue leftists into a corner. In fact, you can’t argue with a leftist, mainly because they refuse to properly frame the debate. Illegal immigration is a perfect example. Leftists refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal. You can talk yourself blue in the face and never make a dent.


9 posted on 08/06/2021 4:37:17 AM PDT by LIConFem (Read up on Russia's Oct, 1917 Revolution... And prepare.)
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To: Cboldt

Made out of rubber?


10 posted on 08/06/2021 4:38:05 AM PDT by Kaslin (Joe Biden will never be my President, and neither will Kamala Harris)
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To: hecticskeptic; bagster

:: Having solid beliefs/views and being able to argue those beliefs/views in a calm, cogent and effective/convincing manner are two different things. ::

Because “trigglypuff” is calm and cogent and convincing?

F*ck you. WAR!
- Brietbart


11 posted on 08/06/2021 4:38:18 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriots, stop looking at the politicians as enemies. Look at the complicit Legacy Media.)
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To: Chickensoup
True. When I read the folks I follow on Twitter (Kurt Schlicter, Sebastian Gorka, Catturd, etc.), I just block any of the negative posts- most of them are just bots, or too far gone to be reasoned with.

Every 80 years, America takes a HUGE HUGE cultural, moral, and spiritual dump.

-At the beginning of 1781, the Redcoats had the Colonials on the run in the South, and there was a petty, vicious civil war going on between the settlers in the back-country far more vicious than anything going on today. By the end of 1781, the United States was recognized as a nation.

-At the beginning of 1861, a couple of States seceded and by the end of spring 11 had done so. By the end of 1861, there was full-blown war between two entire regions of the country.

-At the beginning of 1941, the isolationist movement was still strong in the US, with opinion split on whether or not to go to war with the Axis. By the end of 1941, we were in it to the finish. -We're halfway through 2021, and I'm starting to see the lines being drawn in the next civil war.

12 posted on 08/06/2021 4:47:49 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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To: MuttTheHoople

That’s fascinating.


13 posted on 08/06/2021 4:50:17 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Kaslin
After a few days of cautious consideration, I replied, “Typical. CRT cannot be argued on its merits because it only divides and tears down and has no merit. Therefore, call opponents to CRT Racist.”

I guess that that might be an adequate response to shoot back during a bbq. But attacking their premise ("CRT only divides and tears down") is entirely unnecessary! It namely gives them a foothold / excuse to defend their views.

Instead, put the entire burden of proof on them!

A more-succinct response might have been:

Non sequitur! Name-calling! If you cannot explicitly state what, exactly, Mr. Carlson said that was factually incorrect or logically fallacious, please admit that you have no valid argument that you can advance!

Regards,

14 posted on 08/06/2021 4:55:09 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Kaslin

CRT is teaching children WHAT TO THINK, not HOW TO think.


15 posted on 08/06/2021 5:02:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Kaslin

there’s no reasoning with people that believe a man’s anus can be used as a vagina...


16 posted on 08/06/2021 5:02:04 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: Kaslin

Some liberals I know cover their ears and sing “La-La-La” when they are getting backed into a corner by the truth. They will not allow truth, reason, facts, or common sense to alter their world view.


17 posted on 08/06/2021 5:11:05 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: Kaslin

Rational thought has been deemed racist by the left, hasn’t it? Logic doesn’t matter to these people just power.


18 posted on 08/06/2021 5:11:21 AM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: cgbg; All

You make a mistake by saying “they want power”.

While it may be true for some of them, that is NOT always “what they think” and you have no way of knowing “what they think”. You should never use the phrase “They want...”, except in a question form.

It’s true that may actually be what some of them think, and they know they are using socialism to gain power, and know they are being deceptive... but many just think they are being ‘nice to people’ by sharing your money with everyone else.

I know people like that. One of them is this sweet beautiful girl who you dearly hope never sees the results of her actions. To her it would be like going to save a tiny baby bird and accidentally stepping on and crushing it.

And they are NOT all scheming to obtain power, some just really really really think think that government ‘helps’ people, and it will be so nice when they control everything and force you to be as good as they are.

So they do it with the benefit of their own conscience.

Ayn Rand had a really good essay on why a robber baron is better than a liberal, and states the above far better than I could.


19 posted on 08/06/2021 5:12:49 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: a fool in paradise

get the federal government out of the school system


20 posted on 08/06/2021 5:13:31 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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