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We need Big Brother to beat this virus
The Times (UK) ^

Posted on 08/05/2021 4:15:45 PM PDT by Mount Athos

Don’t let the civil liberties lobby blind us to the fact that greater state surveillance, including ID cards, is required.

If we are to beat a path out of this pandemic without destroying our economy, overblown concerns about threats to our liberties must be countered by pragmatism. To recover some semblance of normality before a vaccine is found, we must accept the need for the state to access more information about ourselves, our health and our whereabouts — and not waste precious weeks arguing about it.

Look east to see how digital surveillance is an integral part of returning to “normal” life. Hong Kong has mandatory tracking wristbands for those in quarantine. In Taiwan the phone-tracking system is known as an “electronic fence”; those who are meant to be in isolation will be visited by the authorities if their phone is turned off. In South Korea the pooling of data from credit card use, mobile phones and CCTV cameras means that they can detail the movements of an infected citizen down to where they sat in the cinema and which bar they went for a beer in afterwards — and in less than ten minutes can trace and contact the woman who was sitting two stools down. Public support for these measures is high, for the simple reason that they are working.

In the West, proposals nowhere near as strong as these are meeting serious opposition. Edward Snowden, patron saint of the paranoid, has warned the digital remedy for this disease will become a disease itself, remaining long after we have been given the all-clear for coronavirus. “Privacy advocates” across Europe are determined to thwart what they see as unacceptable levels of state intrusion. Last month there was an outcry in Germany over plans to require mobile phone operators to hand over customer data, forcing the government to pull the proposals and go back to the drawing board for a softer, voluntary alternative.

Expect similar tussles in Britain, where civil liberties pressure groups are particularly noisy — as demonstrated a few years ago by their successful rebranding of a perfectly sensible piece of legislation as “the snooper’s charter”. Any moves to use our data for public health purposes is bound to stir up complaints. Indeed, when a new NHS contact-tracing app was announced last week, the former head of MI5 Lord Evans of Weardale said it was a “very intrusive set of proposals” that would be a “real intrusion into people’s private lives”.

Such dark warnings seem strangely out of date in an age when we all endlessly volunteer data about ourselves, unthinkingly click “I agree” to the box that pops up with every website we visit, and send information about our wants and desires to big tech companies, who monetise this information. To be comfortable selling our digital souls to Facebook and co and not to our government — which has a clear and life-saving reason for wanting some basic information — would be nonsensical.

The real problem with the NHS app as proposed is that it doesn’t go far enough.

The government must explore less comfortable terrain, beyond voluntarily downloaded apps.

Immunity passports may be used to prove the status of those who have overcome the virus. Yet wouldn’t these be too vulnerable to forgery or theft? Far better to have an unforgeable, untransferable, unique document. ID cards would also provide a much richer source of data with which to trace the infected.

There will always be high-profile huffing and puffing about such measures, but under that noise is the quiet pragmatism of the British public, who understand that some mild incursions on our privacy may be necessary for the sake of public health. The most recent poll on the subject found that a majority would support even the compulsory carrying of ID cards.

We must now take seriously the example of other nations who have successfully restored some normality to life, and rapidly develop a system of digital surveillance that is comprehensive and useful enough to map and break chains of infection extremely quickly. Arch civil libertarians might not like it, but our health, prosperity and freedom depends on it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2020; 2evil4words; april2020; bigbrother; chat; chatforum; civilliberties; civilrights; communism; fakenews; hitlersbirthday; mandates; mountaramis; mountdartagnan; mountporthos; notnews; oldnews; policestate; surveillance
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Valerie Jarret has openly declared she is strongly in favor of vaccine mandates. My best guess is she is the one really calling the shots in the Biden admin, so expect them to go as far along these lines as they can get away with.

In other news, Pakistan is threatening to block the unvaccinated from getting cell phone sim cards

1 posted on 08/05/2021 4:15:45 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

I notice the author of this is anonymous and can’t be traced by the public.


2 posted on 08/05/2021 4:18:53 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Mount Athos

3 posted on 08/05/2021 4:19:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Mount Athos

Could have been written by a stasi agent in East Germany or a KGB agent in the Soviet Union, or some Freepers I know.


4 posted on 08/05/2021 4:22:16 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Mount Athos

You need government to change your diaper.

Not me.


5 posted on 08/05/2021 4:23:01 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: Cboldt

Looks like a picture of a woman, but then this big box pops up and covers the screen.


6 posted on 08/05/2021 4:23:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Mount Athos

So wait.. this article is serious? Not tongue in cheek?


7 posted on 08/05/2021 4:23:05 PM PDT by Celerity
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So The Times of London goes full Orwellian with strong support for terrorist , oppressive tactics from Orwell's 1984.
Rupert Murdoch needs to wake up.
8 posted on 08/05/2021 4:23:33 PM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: Mount Athos

Is there any such thing as an “overblown threat to liberty”? I think not.


9 posted on 08/05/2021 4:23:34 PM PDT by lastchance
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To: Cboldt

Maybe it is fine example of extreme trolling. I sure hope so.


10 posted on 08/05/2021 4:24:53 PM PDT by lastchance
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To: Mount Athos

The problem is... there is no turning back once you give that massive amount of power to the state. They absorb it, build on it and eventually use it against you.


11 posted on 08/05/2021 4:25:16 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Enough. Divide the country.. now. )
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-- Maybe it is fine example of extreme trolling. --

A modest proposal.

12 posted on 08/05/2021 4:29:14 PM PDT by Cboldt
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The author, Clare Foges. Former speechwriter for David Cameron and a raging totalitarian.


13 posted on 08/05/2021 4:29:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Mount Athos

Emmanuel Goldstein is an antivaxxer.


14 posted on 08/05/2021 4:29:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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https://celebpie.com/clare-foges/

Career political spokes-hack.

Also owns a pub in London called “the Fine Line”


15 posted on 08/05/2021 4:29:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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Why would she be calling the shots. Biden and his people didn’t like the Obama and his people.


16 posted on 08/05/2021 4:30:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai

The face of Evil.


17 posted on 08/05/2021 4:31:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I identify as fully vaccinated. )
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https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-fine-line-london

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18 posted on 08/05/2021 4:32:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Olog-hai

Figures she is a Tory, ie the same people who deservedly got tossed out of this country. The “Conservative” Party in the UK would be considered Dems here.


19 posted on 08/05/2021 4:32:43 PM PDT by Clemenza (Elon Musk: wealthiest welfare queen in history )
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To: Mount Athos
We need a social credit score to rate the non-believers. We must Pledge Allegiance to the Deep State and snitch on family members. Our New World Order will save us. Get the Mark vaccine.

/heavy sarc

20 posted on 08/05/2021 4:33:04 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I thought I was being praised when the judge said my warrants were outstanding. But no.)
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