Skip to comments.Taliban captures most of Helmand province’s capital in southern Afghanistan
Posted on 08/03/2021 10:40:21 AM PDT by Vlad0
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Biden has made a blood soaked disaster of Afghanistan, and it's almost impossible to imagine that Trump would not have done a much better job. (On all parts of the withdrawl).
Trump was successfully negotiating with the Taliban. When Biden unilaterally violated to main term of the agreement, moving the withdrawal date back by months, well how can you expect your adversary to continue negotiating when you have show such bad faith.
So, obviously, they decided to forgo more negotiation and take matters into their own hands, militarily.
Don’t care anymore. Afghanistan had twenty years to figure it out.
Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Prayers up for the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire.
War is Hell, I hope it ends quickly.
The name of the Cloward-Piven game is chaos.
It’s all good.
> Trump was successfully negotiating with the Taliban. <
Okay, but the end result would have been just the same. The Taliban wants the whole country, and they will take the whole country. Then bloody revenge killings of “collaborators” will follow.
I don’t blame Biden, Trump, or Obama much here. All three were just playing the bad hand they were dealt. This fiasco is all on George W. Bush.
We made a horrific strategic mistake in supporting the Afghans when the Soviets invaded in 1979. We should’ve left that issue to that side of the world.
Define success, define what was being negotiated that would have been different. We are leaving, just as Trump wanted.
But our dead and our treasure.
Sunk costs now.
Could not agree more! This is a tribal society that wants to fight and kill each other. It’s not a real country. Somebody just drew lines on a map and said “this here is Afghanistan!”
We should have gone in, crushed the Taliban, found and killed bin Laden, and gotten back out. The idea that we were going to build a functioning society out of that backward stone age junkyard was always pure fantasy and a waste of taxpayer money.
And the thing is, when we finally get Bin Laden, it was in Pock-Ee-Stan, not Afghanistan.
Hindsight is easy. At the time, that campaign was brutally effective at hurting the Soviets both in terms of their financials and their morale. Both of those were key components to beating them.
Was it a perfect strategy? Clearly not, and we should have planned for what came next. But we didn’t.
There goes our supply of mayonaise!
It's what the British couldn't conquer once they took everything up to the Khyber Pass. The Russians and Persians didn't go there, either. It's basically a bunch of tribes who hate each other but hate any invader even more.
No, that raid was BS, I think you know that.
It’s exactly that. That’s also Iraq, Pakistan, and much of Sub-Saharan Africa. All these colonies where somebody drew lines that made sense for the empire; not so much for the people living there. Ideally, those lines would simply get re-drawn so that people who haven’t been mortal enemies for 1,000 years aren’t forced to share power in a government or kill each other for control.
I don’t believe that Tora Bora nonsense.
Fair enough, but..... never again.
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